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Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« on: August 04, 2019, 06:17:18 PM »

Since I eat pretty much eat the same foods 90% of the time is it likely that I have a nutrient deficiency?

Daily diet consists of 400-500g cooked chicken breast
Brown seeded bread/rolls
50-100g baby spinach

1-2 times per week ill eat pasta or rice instead of bread for a meal

1-2 times per week Ill eat eggs or smoked salmon instead of chicken for a meal

broccoli maybe 2-3 times per week

And that's it.

Normally im not this restrictive but I am dieting to 9% body fat and I find this diet is really easy to stick to.

Would a multi benefit in this case?
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2019, 06:39:07 PM »

I think it may be useful when hard keto dieting because you won't be getting in as much vegetables or fruits.

I've recently been trying out an approach where instead of taking vitamins, which I can get through real food, I take things which are missing even in food. gh15 always recommends curcumin, so I tried getting some. And OMG it makes me feel amazing. No idea if placebo but I would say it's GOOD. Speaking of salmon, next thing I'm going to try - Astaxanthin for the antioxidant benefits. Have a bottle on the way right now.

https://www.healthline.com/health/health-claims-astaxanthin
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Fish oil with omega-3 fatty acids isn?t the only thing from the ocean that can improve function in the human body. Astaxanthin is a carotenoid pigment that occurs in trout, microalgae, yeast, and shrimp, among other sea creatures. It?s most commonly found in Pacific salmon and is what gives the fish its pinkish color.

In terms of antioxidant strength, this thing is supposedly many, many times as strong compared to, for example, Vitamin C and CoQ10. You can get it from salmon but apparently by taking it in supplement form which is much more concentrated you can take in a lot more of it than you can from salmon.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/astaxanthin_b_2750910
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Astaxanthin is in a class of its own when it comes to antioxidant coverage, because it filters into every cell of the body. Its unique molecular lipophilic and hydrophilic properties allow it to span the entire cell, with one end of the astaxanthin molecule protecting the fat-soluble part of the cell and one end protecting the water-soluble part of the cell. You might think of it as giving your cell a full-body hug!

Natural astaxanthin is exceptionally powerful in singlet-oxygen quenching. A 2007 study analyzed several popular antioxidants and their antioxidant power. [10] This study found astaxanthin was 6,000 times stronger than vitamin C, 800 times stronger than CoQ10, 550 times stronger than green tea catechins and 75 times stronger than alpha lipoic acid.
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2019, 07:21:37 PM »

High praise indeed for curcumin...

vitamin b is ok but is not what he is looking for

curcumin

use the pure one 95% not turmeric but curcumin at highest concentration and you will see suppression of prolactin ofcourse hgh go down too but you should know it

there is nothing in the supplement industry better than curcumin now days

nothing
zero

and they all read me and soon will start coming out with their version of it you will see but im telling this to you not as supplement but as good..

get curcumin 95+% and many of your problems will never pop they will be gone before they arise

be sure to take enough of it..

dht winstrol masteron di also all very good for this but they are not natural remedys you wanted legit natural remdy that works and what I tell you here works and works well

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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2019, 11:06:26 PM »

I was against it for years but recently started. A years worth at Costco is so cheap if I piss out 95% it's still worth it. When I really need a supplement like magnesium or vit d I supplement on top of the multi and diet.
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2019, 12:02:31 AM »

ive been under the assumption for years now  that you piss out 90 percent of a multi, but now its been so long since i formed that opinion i forgot how/why i formed it in the first place...

are they any good or do you piss it all out, my gut tells me you piss it ALL out...

but if not there is no reason not to take one

opinions?

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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2019, 09:23:31 AM »

ive been under the assumption for years now  that you piss out 90 percent of a multi, but now its been so long since i formed that opinion i forgot how/why i formed it in the first place...

are they any good or do you piss it all out, my gut tells me you piss it ALL out...

but if not there is no reason not to take one

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If you are urinating most of it out (the water soluble vitamins) then logically your body has absorbed the maximum it can from the multivitamin and is excreting the rest - the multi has fulfilled the purpose. It would only be logical for you to not urinate water soluble vitamins if there weren't enough of them in the multivitamin

For the fat soluble vitamins (Vitamin A, D, etc), you can load them up in fat stores and store them. Without bloodwork it is hard to reach an optimum level or know when you are near it. However, most of the time, most people have nowhere near optimum levels (except iron - lots of men die every year from too much iron. Women need more than men)

OP - it depends on your goals. Are you doing this for aesthetics or health? Depending how obsessive you are - you may wish to take a range of vitamins/supplements (not protein powder - worthwhile supplements like cod liver oil, vitamin d, etc) to get what you want

The human body can be hacked and engineered to give you any outcome you want - most people join this forum seeking big muscles. Now you have taken control of your body, you can choose how you want to build it. You can take the food, drugs and supplements to get the outcome you want

"a multivitamin" is designed for the masses. You want to know what vitamins you are taking and engineer everything to give yourself the right amounts you need (those RDAs aren't meant for bodybuilders, they are government guidelines for an average person)
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2019, 09:36:06 AM »

I think it may be useful when hard keto dieting because you won't be getting in as much vegetables or fruits.

I've recently been trying out an approach where instead of taking vitamins, which I can get through real food, I take things which are missing even in food. gh15 always recommends curcumin, so I tried getting some. And OMG it makes me feel amazing. No idea if placebo but I would say it's GOOD. Speaking of salmon, next thing I'm going to try - Astaxanthin for the antioxidant benefits. Have a bottle on the way right now.

https://www.healthline.com/health/health-claims-astaxanthin
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Fish oil with omega-3 fatty acids isn?t the only thing from the ocean that can improve function in the human body. Astaxanthin is a carotenoid pigment that occurs in trout, microalgae, yeast, and shrimp, among other sea creatures. It?s most commonly found in Pacific salmon and is what gives the fish its pinkish color.

In terms of antioxidant strength, this thing is supposedly many, many times as strong compared to, for example, Vitamin C and CoQ10. You can get it from salmon but apparently by taking it in supplement form which is much more concentrated you can take in a lot more of it than you can from salmon.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/astaxanthin_b_2750910
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Astaxanthin is in a class of its own when it comes to antioxidant coverage, because it filters into every cell of the body. Its unique molecular lipophilic and hydrophilic properties allow it to span the entire cell, with one end of the astaxanthin molecule protecting the fat-soluble part of the cell and one end protecting the water-soluble part of the cell. You might think of it as giving your cell a full-body hug!

Natural astaxanthin is exceptionally powerful in singlet-oxygen quenching. A 2007 study analyzed several popular antioxidants and their antioxidant power. [10] This study found astaxanthin was 6,000 times stronger than vitamin C, 800 times stronger than CoQ10, 550 times stronger than green tea catechins and 75 times stronger than alpha lipoic acid.

Those are all good antioxidants - Astaxanthin, curcumin, turmeric, vit c, coQ10, alpha lipoic acid

None of them will do any harm taking them. Benefits from taking antioxidants take time - drugs are quick but supplements (useful ones not the "special muscle powder" things) take longer

There is much debate over which antioxidants are best. I recommend each person does their own research and picks a few to experiment with

Vitamin C is the most obvious one to start with as it is cheap, you can buy it everywhere, the benefits are relatively fast (better recovery, digestion, immune system, etc). If in doubt about antioxidants - taking a high dose of vitamin c for a while (#1000mg/day) makes a noticeable difference
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2019, 07:22:54 PM »

I definitely tell all my guys to take a multi and also recommend greens *****.  I like the garden of life brand greens, I tried it years ago based on gh15's recommendation I think.  I definitely can feel higher energy levels the next day after drinking it. 
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2019, 08:48:35 PM »

Since I eat pretty much eat the same foods 90% of the time is it likely that I have a nutrient deficiency?

Daily diet consists of 400-500g cooked chicken breast
Brown seeded bread/rolls
50-100g baby spinach

1-2 times per week ill eat pasta or rice instead of bread for a meal

1-2 times per week Ill eat eggs or smoked salmon instead of chicken for a meal

broccoli maybe 2-3 times per week

And that's it.

Normally im not this restrictive but I am dieting to 9% body fat and I find this diet is really easy to stick to.

Would a multi benefit in this case?

Too hard to eat decent foods with micros in it? Like... quinoa, potatoes, eggs.

When i was hard dieting i was eating basically:
 eggs+eggwhites+oats for breakfast
 the rest of the day, potatoes/sweet potatoes + cod + a bit of macadamia nut oil
 in the evening no carbs just cod and half an avocado a bit of oil.
 6 omega 3 pills

If you check online you have a lot of micros even with that so boring diet.


Multivitamins are useless.


Omega 3, Curcumin, Vit-k2, Boswelia (for tendos ligaments), 5-10mg Cialis, and Sodium Potassium Magnesium Calcium in check it's all you need.
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2019, 09:38:32 PM »

ive been under the assumption for years now  that you piss out 90 percent of a multi, but now its been so long since i formed that opinion i forgot how/why i formed it in the first place...

are they any good or do you piss it all out, my gut tells me you piss it ALL out...

but if not there is no reason not to take one

opinions?

The human body can be hacked and engineered to give you any outcome you want - most people join this forum seeking big muscles. Now you have taken control of your body, you can choose how you want to build it. You can take the food, drugs and supplements to get the outcome you want

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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2019, 06:53:47 AM »

Vitamin C and Iron just make high hematocrit worse.   :(
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2019, 06:42:45 PM »

Vitamines are essential but most people go way over board with them. I found this out the hard way with my right hand being numb all day because of too much B-vitamins.

Write down what you eat, look up online what micro's are in it and then decide what you are missing.

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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2019, 04:51:33 AM »

Was just perusing TheCure's post history as I sometimes do.
Seems this product line actually is available in the States.
http://www.microminerals.us/
Just sharing. No financial affiliation.

Excellent priceless thread. Mostly because it comes directly from your personal vast experience in a rational way.

What I would personally add to that, is supplements. Not only the ones you mention, but I would supplement my body with all the 90 essential nutrients every day. Good quality supplements, trace minerals, food derived vitamins, etc. This on top of a healthy diet to ensure that the proper amount of essential nutrients go into the body.

I have every athlete (IRL Athletes) on "Rocky mountain minerals phyto essential plus" (atleast thats what its called in germany...)

Its probably the best mutlivitamin ive ever seen.

best wishes

It works, it is part of my favorite multivitamin. Its generally not in our foods (anymore due to destroyed soils) and can help. I wouldnt make the miracle the article makes it but it helps.

For anyone who wants a great multivitamin check out rocky mountains mikro synergy plus (i think its only in the EU tho)

Best wishes
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2019, 05:20:42 PM »

Vitamin C and Iron just make high hematocrit worse.   :(

I don't think any man should be taking iron supplements. Most men need to be more careful avoiding iron fortified foods. Main brand cornflakes often have iron added to them

Too high blood iron is a leading cause of death for men. They're trying to kill all the men off
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2019, 05:22:41 PM »

Vitamines are essential but most people go way over board with them. I found this out the hard way with my right hand being numb all day because of too much B-vitamins.

Write down what you eat, look up online what micro's are in it and then decide what you are missing.

Most people go way overboard with everything. Bodybuilders get hungry and impulsive for results and push to extremes rapidly

Your logical method is great advice. Most will agree but few will do it. I used to keep a food journal but now I know them all so well I just eat the same things over and over and do the numbers in my head
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2019, 05:33:53 PM »

Was just perusing TheCure's post history as I sometimes do.
Seems this product line actually is available in the States.
http://www.microminerals.us/
Just sharing. No financial affiliation.

Excellent priceless thread. Mostly because it comes directly from your personal vast experience in a rational way.

What I would personally add to that, is supplements. Not only the ones you mention, but I would supplement my body with all the 90 essential nutrients every day. Good quality supplements, trace minerals, food derived vitamins, etc. This on top of a healthy diet to ensure that the proper amount of essential nutrients go into the body.

I have every athlete (IRL Athletes) on "Rocky mountain minerals phyto essential plus" (atleast thats what its called in germany...)

Its probably the best mutlivitamin ive ever seen.

best wishes

It works, it is part of my favorite multivitamin. Its generally not in our foods (anymore due to destroyed soils) and can help. I wouldnt make the miracle the article makes it but it helps.

For anyone who wants a great multivitamin check out rocky mountains mikro synergy plus (i think its only in the EU tho)

Best wishes

TheCure posted alot of great information and unique perspectives, I learnt alot from him. I'll look at that product - I've not heard of it before
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Re: Does anyone here take multivitamins?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2019, 02:38:44 PM »

I'll just put this here too...

Berberine cant make you hypo tho! It can only drop you to baseline levels (which can be low admitted)

Berberine hcl is literally the only necessary supplement for a bodybuilder. The effect on blood glucose, lipids,digestion, anti inflammatory and cortisol inhibition plus loosing fat make this little fella the #1 supplement. It isnt really a supplement, its medicine.

As some of you stated it works great. My gf mom has well actually had diabetes since i cured it, but before that i treated her with metformin berberine combo. That eventually went to berberine only, and let me tell you the difference was night and day. She lost 15 kilos without changing eating habits, tryglycerides down to 150 from 490 hp1ac down to 6,4 and fast blood glucose was always around 120-130 for a heavy type 2 diabetic on lantus, vitoza and metformin on top.

Berberine is a godgift, i highly recommend using it 30 days at a time and that 2-3 times a year. Resets everything (insulin sensitivity is getting better not as potent as other drugs but still significant) and helps general health.

Beware since it inhibitd cytochrome (cyp3a4 esp.) it makes orals and other meds way more effective. So your dbol and whatnot will be harsher on your liver since you are having a hard time metabolising it (cytochrome inhibition is also the reason why it works anti cortisol).

I probably forgot alot of other awesome traits but this summs it up.

Run it for 30 days 1,5g a day. 500 awake 500 before largest/carbheaviest meal and pre bed (this helps tremendously with insulin resistance and diabetes). Taper up so go for 500mg first 2 days then 1g 2 days then more.

It actually should help in a keto diet. As far as i can think it should actually induce ketosis easier and boost its effects. Another thing you can look into is gw50156 which is berberine on steroids Plus different health benefits. It alters the metabolism towards fat as fuel to put it in simple terms. Obviously you get the videogamecheat endurance. Gw is a tool that is overlooked. Its actually pretty much the only ppar delta agonist that is available.

Gw in higher dosages is the yellow poison thats banned here without the deadly sides. That said substance actually was used as medicine and still is today. Esp for liver, insulin sensitivity and lipid issues. But since id vouch for gw being as potent in the health regoin (probably way better since it wont kill you when you overdo it). But the mechanism of high gw and the yellow rat poison is kinda the same. Mitochondrial uncoupling!

So what my ultimate go to stack to use it as a fatburner/insulin sensitivity/lipid control i would use 1,5g berberine a day and about 20mg of GW a day. You will see a fatburner that youve never seen before (well unless you were brave enough for the yellow poison but please dont try it)

I will write more about Gw but the health benefits of a 50% hdl boost, using cholesterol as energy, upping glucose intake in skeletal muscle, inhibiting protein degradation and increasing insulin sensitivity are reason enough for it to be a staple.
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