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Title: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: Miscon- on December 28, 2019, 10:28:05 PM
True or false?
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: squirms on December 28, 2019, 10:31:35 PM
True or false?

Im believing it to be true. I've been off all AAS for exactly a year now. I've seldom had a cold or flu like symptoms in this time. When on I was constantly getting viral infections (every 2-3months). So from my experience yes because test and anabolics are the only variable
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: SlinMeister on December 28, 2019, 10:36:54 PM
True or false?

No not at all, I got a flu just once in 3y of steroids.....
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: vansville2010 on December 28, 2019, 11:04:16 PM
Only if abused, to the point of bad bloodwork or high blood pressures

What does araken immune? Poor diet, digestion, poor cardio, being overweight

So if you should be 190 and you use aas to become 240, your health and immune are compromised as your organs are being stressed

A man can look jacked at 193lbs if done right, 240 is just not healthy, a freak is not long for a long healthy life
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: malfeasance on December 29, 2019, 04:34:47 AM
It?s true.  Even natural testosterone lowers immunity.  Plenty of research out there.  Go read it.
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: mejor on December 29, 2019, 04:47:29 AM
Do you guys get flu shots?
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: SalmonWithAlmonds on December 29, 2019, 04:51:12 AM
I rarely get sick like maybe once every 3-4 years
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: el testosteron on December 29, 2019, 05:19:06 AM
For whatever it's worth, I'm usually the one guy in the office who doesn't catch a cold during seasonal changes. I haven't had a fever since April of 2016, and I get coughed on all day at work. I get phlegm once a year that lasts 2 days tops. I only get 5.5h of sleep per night during weekdays, my diet does have a decent amount of veggies.
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: vansville2010 on December 29, 2019, 06:14:42 AM
Do you guys get flu shots?

fuck no
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: serotonin101 on December 31, 2019, 03:01:01 AM
It?s true.  Even natural testosterone lowers immunity.  Plenty of research out there.  Go read it.
There's also a thread already about this. I think you even posted research about it.
It's part of the reason why men die earlier Than women due to diseases and cancer.
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: gh15 on January 02, 2020, 06:30:27 PM
absolutely false!

i don't want to jinx any flesh here but absolutely false!

don't swallow deep state balonie then again don't buy just any bath tab junk out there! but despite what you hear from the school of deep state.. SYNTHETIC ANABOLIC steroids that includes androges do not weaken immune system

in fact i highly recommend to not vaccine beyond certain age period aka ZERO VACCINES.. when baby just the minimal must vaccines that you see fit and that is IT!  even those minimal ones.. be sure you know what it is.. be sure you are always around when doc give it to someone else that you came with related to you

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Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: Rocky_Maivia on January 03, 2020, 08:15:29 PM
Agree with most of you

I never got sick while on AAS. Fever and other sick symptoms may have occurred if hitting a vein or using a product from a less reputable lab (possible contaminants). Other than that, never got cold/flu, wearing short sleeves during winter and all..... (can't do that natty, freeze to death like a bitch lol).
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: gh15 on January 03, 2020, 11:21:59 PM
on hormones if you need ac it usually need to be in the 65 zone.. 65-67 you can do the Celsius conversion and see what it is

when off hormones and truly off.. or when natural you will be just fine at 70-72 degrees again you can do the conversion and see what it is in Celsius

there is this 5 degree difference when on and off.. you body just like being in colder temp while on.. about 5 degrees lower some even lower than that


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Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: chubbybaby on January 06, 2020, 09:53:37 AM
i have an amazing immune system in part due to my AS use. test alone has proven to increase immune strength in therapeutic dosages.
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: squirms on January 08, 2020, 02:08:34 AM
It?s true.  Even natural testosterone lowers immunity.  Plenty of research out there.  Go read it.
There's also a thread already about this. I think you even posted research about it.
It's part of the reason why men die earlier Than women due to diseases and cancer.

I've had evaluations/tests done because I was so frequently getting sick, sinusitis being the number one issue,  prior to that it was tonsillitis (eventually got my tonsils removed) all this was whilst I was running hormones. Before AAS I seldom ever got sick at worst a cold which wouldn't last long.

Since I've been off this whole year the occasional cold(winter here in England). That's another concern of mine considering going back on hormones. Do I want to keep battling viral/bacterial infections again and again  :-\
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: Miscon- on March 03, 2020, 01:01:25 PM
Does anyone here get acne when taking dht based compounds or androgens?
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: metan20 on March 03, 2020, 11:50:01 PM
Does anyone here get acne when taking dht based compounds or androgens?

i always had acne but no more after while

I think that people hope not stay sick because AAS.
it's not like that either

food and other things must be taken into account in hormones or not AND MAINLY the quality of hormones. So for me it depend on some factors

It?s true.  Even natural testosterone lowers immunity.  Plenty of research out there.  Go read it.

that's the biggest lie. When talking about natural hormones several interactions between them must be studied and not just one. It is impossible for your own body, in healthy conditions (which is impossible or almost nowadays) to produce something to harm you


in general, hormones will always do us good. The question is the other things we have like daily habits, quality of hormones and their interactions in the body. If everything is ok, you are a perfectly functioning machine and in front of other humans.
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: malfeasance on March 04, 2020, 12:02:23 AM
Lol!!!!   Find some research, anything, to back up your ridiculous claim.   We?ll be waiting.   ::)
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: metan20 on March 04, 2020, 12:11:30 AM
Lol!!!!   Find some research, anything, to back up your ridiculous claim.   We?ll be waiting.   ::)

which statement? does natural testosterone affect immunity? I HAVE READ SEVERAL STUDIES SAYING THIS LIE ... I will not discuss it, you seem blinded by science and your pubmed articles ... do the following then ... take your testosterone out of your life and see what will happen to you, it's simple .

Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: metan20 on March 04, 2020, 12:27:45 AM
've read a study showing that the immune system of women is stronger than that of men simply because of testosterone ... nor did they consider other variables .... oh the studies !!

I need to mention that a robust immune system is no guarantee of health today? Example.. macrophages invade their adipocytes and there they can differentiate into M1 and M2 phenotypes, where M1 stimulates secretion of pro-inflammatory cytokines and nitric oxide synthase. M2 activates arginase-1 (nitric oxide synthase inhibitor) and TGF-beta1, which are essential for the control of the inflammatory process ... The difference in concentrations of these types of phenotypes in obese is what differentiates a healthy metabolic state in obese or not due to minor or major inflammation.

Why am I saying all this? Human body is a machine that a technology that no human being will ever do the same and we will never fully understand what it is ... it is not that simple 'The studies shown this or that ". This is when the people read several studies for form opinion
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: malfeasance on March 04, 2020, 01:44:44 AM
No surprise - Nothing.   Stating something loudly and dogmatically with exclamation points and mocking studies that actually exist looking at the issue does not make your claim more true.
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: malfeasance on March 04, 2020, 01:52:20 AM
So scientists do an experiment.  They take the testosterone levels of a group of men (34) and women (53) receiving immunization against an influenza virus.  Then they measure the body's response to the immunization.

Men with higher testosterone had a weaker response to the vaccination.

Women - the same.  Women with higher testosterone had a weaker response to the vaccination than women with lower testosterone.

They had specific measures and even looked at a gene that appears to be turned "on" over a certain level of testosterone.

It is a very interesting read.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2013/12/20/1321060111.full.pdf


You should read it before you come back and write "take your testosterone out of your life and see what happens."  What happens is in older age a higher cardiac risk with low testosterone, but this has nothing at all to say about immunity response.

Read it and learn a little.

By the way, it is the same in animal studies, both male and female.  There is a direct testosterone negative correlation with immunity.

This is not really a controversial subject.
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: gh15 on March 04, 2020, 01:55:16 AM
hormone users on top of the line products.. im not talking ug crap.. lol do not get ill with flu and viruses.. I also believe they are invincible to the side effects of HIV.. aka aids.. hiv simply cant host in their body.. it is also a homo disease period I don't care what others say.. it just is.. but hetrosexual on hormones in my opinion can not get hiv

then again I don't recommend you to go fuck 100 whores with out condom.. there are other things out there..



that's it.. this is all you need to know,,

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Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: metan20 on March 04, 2020, 10:34:02 AM
No surprise - Nothing.   Stating something loudly and dogmatically with exclamation points and mocking studies that actually exist looking at the issue does not make your claim more true.

Lol!!!!   Find some research, anything, to back up your ridiculous claim.   We?ll be waiting.   ::)

man you will talk about mockery, look at your first answer.

again taking a study on something proves nothing to anyone, and as LOJ already said stop being fooled by the deep state. Study with hormones is not that simple.

but i will read what you send
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: serotonin101 on March 04, 2020, 10:55:25 AM
No surprise - Nothing.   Stating something loudly and dogmatically with exclamation points and mocking studies that actually exist looking at the issue does not make your claim more true.

Lol!!!!   Find some research, anything, to back up your ridiculous claim.   We?ll be waiting.   ::)

man you will talk about mockery, look at your first answer.

again taking a study on something proves nothing to anyone, and as LOJ already said stop being fooled by the deep state. Study with hormones is not that simple.

but i will read what you send
If you really believe the entire scienfitic community which is a world wide organization of both independently funded and large funded groups are conspiring together without any leaks, then you are just ignorant. Try keeping a secret between 10 people let alone millions. Try getting 100 people to work together let alone millions.
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: gh15 on March 04, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
^you know nothing you are a product of the abuse you been tru.. I feel pity for you personally,,

you really have no idea what you are talking about due to abuse,,

saddest story is that many out there are like you,,

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Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: gh15 on March 04, 2020, 11:07:25 AM
someone like neil deGrasse tysson should be GETTING THE NOOSE! for crimes against humanity!

others too I just put his name out there because his face is pushed by the deep state for years into younger generations,,

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Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: metan20 on March 04, 2020, 11:09:49 AM
i started read..e already read:

Females have generally more robust immune responses. I explain for you that. I give you a example about this..obesity-immune system-macrophages-M1 and M2- and your risks. BUt you called it

 
No surprise - Nothing.   Stating something loudly and dogmatically with exclamation points and mocking studies that actually exist looking at the issue does not make your claim more true.

Mocking Studies LOL.

If you go looking for estogens and their effects on the immune system you will see that it is also a variable that must enter the game to understand why women can have a better immune system than men or whatever they want to try there.
What I mean is that the thing with hormones and genes is not that simple. It all depends on several factors and never on one.

Serious and well done science is in books and not in 6-page articles. I didn't say to forget the articles, but to be careful and know how to interpret them
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: metan20 on March 04, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
No surprise - Nothing.   Stating something loudly and dogmatically with exclamation points and mocking studies that actually exist looking at the issue does not make your claim more true.

Lol!!!!   Find some research, anything, to back up your ridiculous claim.   We?ll be waiting.   ::)

man you will talk about mockery, look at your first answer.

again taking a study on something proves nothing to anyone, and as LOJ already said stop being fooled by the deep state. Study with hormones is not that simple.

but i will read what you send
If you really believe the entire scienfitic community which is a world wide organization of both independently funded and large funded groups are conspiring together without any leaks, then you are just ignorant. Try keeping a secret between 10 people let alone millions. Try getting 100 people to work together let alone millions.

your answer has already been given by the LOJ. 
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: serotonin101 on March 04, 2020, 12:45:06 PM
Do you really think I care what he says on this topic? Lol. Sorry but the logic is weak. If you even think with half your brain you'd know it's just utter tin foil hat conspiracy crap, words of paranoia and delusion.
Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: gh15 on March 04, 2020, 02:13:24 PM
^ and this is why you can barely finish the week and i already have over 20 houses belong to me around the world..

big ones!

you are exactly what the deep state likes-- indoctrinated.. its a good word you should look into

you were born into it and will most likely pass on like this but before hand the awaking will arrive.. just before.. the moment before! promise you

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Title: Re: Anabolic steroids weaken immune system
Post by: MLE99M on April 14, 2020, 01:33:31 AM
True or false?

Im believing it to be true. I've been off all AAS for exactly a year now. I've seldom had a cold or flu like symptoms in this time. When on I was constantly getting viral infections (every 2-3months). So from my experience yes because test and anabolics are the only variable

I doubt those are the only variables.