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Nutrition and training => NATURAL REMEDIES => Topic started by: Perser on March 18, 2014, 11:38:40 AM

Title: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Perser on March 18, 2014, 11:38:40 AM
As the title reads, Yohimbine. Let's talk about it, experiences, science, etc...
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: chubbybaby on March 18, 2014, 11:39:51 AM
Interested in this thread. Have never intentionally supplemented with this substance. I am more of a "all-in" guy and have relied on ephedra and caffeine, however, I am always open to hearing other's experiences with this. Sometimes subtlety is key.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: thomasre7 on March 18, 2014, 12:00:49 PM
Started using it a few days ago. Noticed more energy and appetite suppression. Even with EQ in my blood
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: nickjehook on March 18, 2014, 12:01:37 PM
I used the medical grade when I was competing in Oly  weight lifting for cutting as it was not on the banned list at the time. I believe it is still not banned after recently looking at the updated list. heated me up a bit and helped my sex drive.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Drako88 on March 18, 2014, 04:38:20 PM
I never used it before because its not allowed for sale in my country ::)
I ordered some from us to test it and i will give my 2 cents on it when it arrives
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Perser on March 19, 2014, 06:03:07 PM
Quick question guys, how high are you dosing it?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: El Kaiser on March 19, 2014, 06:58:50 PM
Acording to this study (from 2006), 20 mg could be a good start...


Abstract
The main aim of this study was to determine the effects of yohimbine supplementation on body composition and exercise performance in professional soccer players. The athletes (20 top-level male soccer players) were allocated to two randomly assigned trials. Subjects in the yohimbine group orally ingested tablets that contains yohimbine at a dose of 20 milligrams per day in two equal doses for 21 days. Subjects in the placebo group ingested an equal number of identical-looking pills that contained cellulose. There were no statistically significant changes in body mass and muscle mass within or between trials (p > 0.05) after the supplementation protocol. Percentage of body fat significantly decreased in the yohimbine group after the supplementation protocol (9.3 ? 1.1 vs. 7.1 ? 2.2%; p < 0.05). Furthermore, fat mass was significantly lower in the yohimbine versus placebo trial at postsupplementation assessment (7.1 ? 2.2 vs. 9.2 ? 1.9%; p < 0.05). There were no changes in exercise performance indicators (bench and leg press, vertical jump, dribble and power test results, shuttle run) within or between trials (p > 0.05). No subject reported any side effects from yohimbine. The results of the current study indicate that supplementation with yohimbine combined with resistance training does not significantly alter the body mass, muscle mass, or performance indicators in professional soccer players. Nonetheless, yohimbine supplementation appears to be suitable as a fat loss strategy in elite athletes.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 19, 2014, 07:45:19 PM
I've used this a bit.

Yohimbine is an Alpha 2- receptor antagonist - primarily acting on Alpha 2A receptors. Inhibiting this receptor stimulates epinephrine-induced lipolysis in fat cells. Since the ratio of Alpha: Beta receptors in fat cells is at least partially controlled by hormones, the fat burning is targeted towards 'stubborn fat'.
Further, the effects are significantly reduced/negated by the presence of insulin in the blood so it is best taken during the fasted state. IMO the best way of using it is in combination with EC before fasted cardio first thing in the AM.
A few warnings though, only do steady-state cardio with this protocol as it can elevate heart rate a lot, also if using Eph + Yohimbine, build up doses slowly.

And you want Yohimbine HCL, NOT yohimbe.

Quick question guys, how high are you dosing it?
Dose is 0.2mg/kg bw
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Perser on March 19, 2014, 07:59:43 PM
Oh wow okay, guess that 7.5mg is way too little then. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Datbulk on March 19, 2014, 09:02:26 PM
I use 25mg a day with 400mg caffeine, kicks hard but its doing its job..
Just get crazy cold sensitivity to the gym fans and shivers down my spine, its a weird herb.

edit: I take the whole dose in one go pre workout and always fasted.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Diluted56 on March 19, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
I got some for free from my connection. Haven't used it yet but I'll paying attention to this thread :)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: MrP on March 19, 2014, 09:34:49 PM
I've used this a bit.

Yohimbine is an Alpha 2- receptor antagonist - primarily acting on Alpha 2A receptors. Inhibiting this receptor stimulates epinephrine-induced lipolysis in fat cells. Since the ratio of Alpha: Beta receptors in fat cells is at least partially controlled by hormones, the fat burning is targeted towards 'stubborn fat'.
Further, the effects are significantly reduced/negated by the presence of insulin in the blood so it is best taken during the fasted state. IMO the best way of using it is in combination with EC before fasted cardio first thing in the AM.
A few warnings though, only do steady-state cardio with this protocol as it can elevate heart rate a lot, also if using Eph + Yohimbine, build up doses slowly.

And you want Yohimbine HCL, NOT yohimbe.

Quick question guys, how high are you dosing it?
Dose is 0.2mg/kg bw

Roon, since you used it a bit, did you notice any postive/negative effects from it at all? Also is it easy to distinguish if it actualy works or not?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: aussiedan on March 19, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Even small doses of 10mg while fasted would give me the worst headaches. Seemed to spike my blood pressure. Though the energy, fat loss and appetite suppression seemed almost worth it to me. Will have to give it another chance next cut.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 19, 2014, 09:39:48 PM
all the common fat burners attach to beta 2 receptors, and straight-forward fasting/starving works very well for them. alpha receptors on the other hand actually protect themselves while fasting/starving and shut down lipolysis/fat burn.  and the common fat burners do little for them.  thats why skinny-fat people exist, because hard dieting or not eating enough doesnt do anywhere near as much for alpha receptors as it does for beta2

yohimbine uniquely deals with alpha receptors, enabling fat burn while fasted

thighs abs lovehandles butt are dense in alpha receptors

I use 25mg a day with 400mg caffeine, kicks hard but its doing its job..
Just get crazy cold sensitivity to the gym fans and shivers down my spine, its a weird herb.

yohimbine is mega synergistic with other stimulants...so watch out with that 400mg caffeine :p

i prefer 30mg yoh 50-100 caffeine

might be good to take EC after one exits yoh fasted state especially if ones yoh dose is on the highend
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Orhan on March 19, 2014, 09:43:59 PM
Is clen on the same receptor as yohimbine? Or can it be used on the clen off time?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 19, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
Is clen on the same receptor as yohimbine? Or can it be used on the clen off time?

no clen is beta2 like everything else
yes should probably not be used at the same time as yoh
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Datbulk on March 19, 2014, 09:50:03 PM
Im running it at the same time, but im a lab rat, doesnt seem to be giving me any problems - that i can notice anyway haha.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Orhan on March 19, 2014, 09:57:08 PM
Is clen on the same receptor as yohimbine? Or can it be used on the clen off time?

no clen is beta2 like everything else
yes should probably not be used at the same time as yoh

What I mean is, how clen loses effect after couple weeks due to receptor shutdown, that would mean its useless to use yohimbine in the 2 weeks off clen as the receptors will stay shut down?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 19, 2014, 10:02:36 PM
I have run this several times as part of a EC stack its something you want to work your way into slow like clen.  Never ran it with clen I have high enough BP on just that stuff alone.  For some reason it also made me free like crap by the end of the day not drained or anything just full of energy that I didn't want to use.  This happen when i ran it more then like a week not sure why.  I used to eat oxyelite pro like it was candy and it had yohimbie in it and I was fine for the most part.  Either way its something you need to play around with dosing IMO and it does work really well with eph and caffeine with a baby aspirin.  there is my two cents.     
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: thomasre7 on March 19, 2014, 10:09:52 PM
Remember that there is a difference between hcl and raw extract
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 19, 2014, 10:43:42 PM
Is clen on the same receptor as yohimbine? Or can it be used on the clen off time?

no clen is beta2 like everything else
yes should probably not be used at the same time as yoh

What I mean is, how clen loses effect after couple weeks due to receptor shutdown, that would mean its useless to use yohimbine in the 2 weeks off clen as the receptors will stay shut down?

it targets different receptors and unlike clen it doesnt downregulate them
it would be very good to use during clen downtime....if you even bother to use clen at all (i think yoh is way better)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 19, 2014, 11:28:04 PM
Roon, since you used it a bit, did you notice any postive/negative effects from it at all? Also is it easy to distinguish if it actualy works or not?

Well firstly, it works. End of discussion  :P
Now for a helpful response... :) By 'works' what I mean is that it has an antagonistic effect on alpha 2 receptors. Within the body these receptors are located in areas of stubborn fat deposits.
So in terms of noticing results it is something to use at the end of a cut to help remove those last deposits, in men this is typically the lower ab area and in some cases the lower back. If you don't have a good level of leanness (visible abs, vascularity etc.) then you don't need this as you don't have 'stubborn fat' you just have excess bodyfat.

Even small doses of 10mg while fasted would give me the worst headaches. Seemed to spike my blood pressure. Though the energy, fat loss and appetite suppression seemed almost worth it to me. Will have to give it another chance next cut.
It does :) Hence the need for caution when using with other stims. It also raises the rate of perceived exertion, making your headaches feel worse.

thighs abs lovehandles butt are dense in alpha receptors

yohimbine is mega synergistic with other stimulants...so watch out with that 400mg caffeine :p

i prefer 30mg yoh 50-100 caffeine

might be good to take EC after one exits yoh fasted state especially if ones yoh dose is on the highend
Alpha location is partially determined by hormone levels so women have more in thighs, hips and glutes while men to to have more in the lower ab, low back areas.

The whole point of combining Eph and Yohimbine is the synergistic effect on epinephrine induced lipolysis. Now I agree that this can cause issues in some, which is why I don't suggest heavy training or high intensity cardio while fasted but building up to a tolerable dose should mediate most of the negative effects.

Is clen on the same receptor as yohimbine? Or can it be used on the clen off time?

no clen is beta2 like everything else
yes should probably not be used at the same time as yoh

What I mean is, how clen loses effect after couple weeks due to receptor shutdown, that would mean its useless to use yohimbine in the 2 weeks off clen as the receptors will stay shut down?

Clen and Yohimbine are polar opposites

Clen is a beta 2 Agonist
Yohimbine is an Alpha 2 Antagonist

So firstly they act on different receptors anyway, making your question moot. But to expand a bit, clen stimulates the B2 receptors and in high enough doses this causes the receptors to Down-Regulate - not shutdown. What this means in practice is that they are effectively 'recycled' by fusing with lysosomes and then regenerated during recovery.

Yohimbine inhibits the action of A2 receptors so none of the above applies, there is no shutdown since the receptors are not functioning due to binding with Yohimbine.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 19, 2014, 11:39:39 PM
So roon what you saying is if I can figure out how to dose it clen and Yohimbine might not be to bad together and should work similar to eph and Yohimbine.  I have always pretty much though this since they hit different receptors but I am still pretty new to clen so learning best I can.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 20, 2014, 12:28:17 AM
So roon what you saying is if I can figure out how to dose it clen and Yohimbine might not be to bad together and should work similar to eph and Yohimbine.  I have always pretty much though this since they hit different receptors but I am still pretty new to clen so learning best I can.

It might actually work better since Yohimbine should slow down the clen receptor downregulation via noradrenaline feedback looping. This will increase the active time of each clen dose by up to a few hours as well as extending the total time it can be used up to a max of around 6 weeks
The main difference between Eph and clen is that clen specifically acts on beta 2 receptors while Eph acts on both alpha and Beta receptors.

As far as dosing goes use a ratio of 1mg Yohimbine : 8mcg Clen     (Note the units!)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 20, 2014, 12:50:46 AM
Interesting I am coming back onto stims this weekend i may have to give this a try see how it works.  With Yohimbine giving me a off feeling after about a week or two I can cycle it with my clen and get good results.  As always Roon highly informative talking to you thanks for the imput. 

Also check my math really quick

100mcg clen = 12.5mg Yohimbine  also you spilit the Yohimbine though the day correct?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 20, 2014, 03:50:52 AM
Interesting I am coming back onto stims this weekend i may have to give this a try see how it works.  With Yohimbine giving me a off feeling after about a week or two I can cycle it with my clen and get good results.  As always Roon highly informative talking to you thanks for the imput. 

Also check my math really quick

100mcg clen = 12.5mg Yohimbine also you spilit the Yohimbine though the day correct?

No to both bolded points.
Did you read what I wrote above? The effects of Yohimbine are negated in the presence of insulin - thus it should be taken all at once, fasted first thing in the AM followed by fasted cardio and ideally a fasted period.
The clen is synergistic so should also be taken in one dose with the Yohimbine - that's the whole point!

On the plus side your maths is correct :) However WORK UP TO THE CLEN DOSE! Start out with half dose of each for a few days, then up to the full Yohimbine dose + half Clen, then adjust from there depending on response up to the max dose.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 20, 2014, 04:09:38 AM
I think what I wrote was not what I was trying to say.  When I said cycle it with my clen I meant was to be taken with my clen then when I come off clen drop the  Yohimbine since both kinda start messing with me after that lenght of time.

So clen+Yohimbine 2 weeks on 1 week off eph between   

I did however miss the part about fasted  but that is not a problem since I use intermittent fasting while cutting.  So that will work great for me.

With clen learn that the hard way i now start @ 20 and move 100 over 5 to 10 days depending on how I feel with it.  I imagine I will have to go a little slow adding Yohimbine with it so warning noted.  Thanks a bunch again roon been helpful as always       
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 20, 2014, 04:37:36 AM
I think what I wrote was not what I was trying to say.  When I said cycle it with my clen I meant was to be taken with my clen then when I come off clen drop the  Yohimbine since both kinda start messing with me after that lenght of time.

So clen+Yohimbine 2 weeks on 1 week off eph between   

I did however miss the part about fasted  but that is not a problem since I use intermittent fasting while cutting.  So that will work great for me.

With clen learn that the hard way i now start @ 20 and move 100 over 5 to 10 days depending on how I feel with it.  I imagine I will have to go a little slow adding Yohimbine with it so warning noted.  Thanks a bunch again roon been helpful as always       
No problem bro :)
Yes you take the full dose of both together.
Also there is no need to do 2 weeks on/1 off. You can extend it to 5-6 weeks when using both. Obviously if Yohimbine affects you a lot then don't do this!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 20, 2014, 05:32:10 PM
really have to take it easy with yoh + clen..be careful
a good dose of yoh with 200 caffeine is already too much for a lot of people
yoh + clen will be tough
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: nico_james on March 20, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
Hate the stuff, made me shake and feel like absolute shit the whole day after taking one. Never, ever again!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on March 20, 2014, 09:49:27 PM
Pretty sure yohimbe is the plant and yohimbine is the hcl version sold as a fat loss/energy/libido supplement.

I've used it and noticed nothing. Waste of money, stay away.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 20, 2014, 10:11:52 PM
Hate the stuff, made me shake and feel like absolute shit the whole day after taking one. Never, ever again!

I have the same problem but it takes a few weeks to really make me feel like shit.  the shaking thing I got used to kinda figured it was part of it.  I am giving it a shot with clen starting sunday using what roon told me for dosing and see if I can handle it and it still makes me feel like crap. 
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 20, 2014, 10:15:24 PM
Pretty sure yohimbe is the plant and yohimbine is the hcl version sold as a fat loss/energy/libido supplement.
Yohimbe is the tree.
Yohimbine is an indole alkaloid found in the bark of the tree.
Yohimbine HCL is a standardised hydrochloride form of yohimbine

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I've used it incorrectly and noticed nothing.
^quote fixed.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 20, 2014, 10:17:09 PM
Hate the stuff, made me shake and feel like absolute shit the whole day after taking one. Never, ever again!

I have the same problem but it takes a few weeks to really make me feel like shit.  the shaking thing I got used to kinda figured it was part of it.  I am giving it a shot with clen starting sunday using what roon told me for dosing and see if I can handle it and it still makes me feel like crap.

When you say it makes you feel shit, what do you mean? What symptoms are you getting and at what dose? Also were you using other stims at the same time?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 21, 2014, 12:47:57 AM
I was 160lbs using @ max 15mg worked my way up of 2 weeks roughly (I would need to check my logs to be sure) using roughly 400mg a day caffeine 

Drained of energy lethargic pretty much   
High bp
Heavy heart beat
HIGHLY irritable


The weird part is i was good with it till I hit my max dose of 15mg and then it was just not doing anything but making me feel worse I tried to back off the dose and it didn't really help.  I know caffeine will do the same things but I was well under my tolerance to that so I kinda just blamed the yohimbine gave is shot 2 other times and it was around week two right as I was getting up to the recommend dose I would feel like crap.  EXCEPT in oxyelite pro which has it and that stuff is my friend of friends for a OTC fat burner next to EPH and has me thinking I just ran it up to high and burned my self out not sure.

I know yohimbine will increase anxiety not really sure if that was it since I am not one the gets that. 
 
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 21, 2014, 04:22:30 AM
I was 160lbs using @ max 15mg worked my way up of 2 weeks roughly (I would need to check my logs to be sure) using roughly 400mg a day caffeine 

Drained of energy lethargic pretty much   
High bp
Heavy heart beat
HIGHLY irritable


The weird part is i was good with it till I hit my max dose of 15mg and then it was just not doing anything but making me feel worse I tried to back off the dose and it didn't really help.  I know caffeine will do the same things but I was well under my tolerance to that so I kinda just blamed the yohimbine gave is shot 2 other times and it was around week two right as I was getting up to the recommend dose I would feel like crap.  EXCEPT in oxyelite pro which has it and that stuff is my friend of friends for a OTC fat burner next to EPH and has me thinking I just ran it up to high and burned my self out not sure.

I know yohimbine will increase anxiety not really sure if that was it since I am not one the gets that.

OK, in that case definitely keep the dose 12.5mg or lower and be very careful introducing clen as well!

All the symptoms you have listed point towards a build up of norepinephrine (this is metabolised by A2 receptors). I'm guessing you were also using IF when you used it before?
There are a couple of things you can do to modulate the effect a bit. Mainly minimizing intake of tyrosine (found largely in cheese and other dairy) and keeping glucose intake down and as far away from yohimbine dosing as possible.

Also BTW I checked out Oxyelite Pro - it contains Yohimbe bark, not Yohimbine HCL :)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 21, 2014, 05:19:20 AM
Looked at my bottle of oep never noticed the bark extract.  That explains all since what I have now is hcl.  Also yes I pretty much just adopted IF full time now at least that is the plan.  I like it works for me.  Now zero dairy will be a problem but I can cut it back and there will be a good 6 hours before I eat any thing after my clen yohimbie dose.  That should be good I hope.  Only need about 5 maybe 10 more pounds then it's back to tren bulk for me.  Roon you must research way more then me and that it's saying a some thing.  I going to start my dosing Friday nit Saturday will post on how it goes you been really helpful. 
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 21, 2014, 08:12:13 AM
consider that:
taking a lot of caffeine with yohimbine forces you to take a lower dose of yoh
not good..you want just a little bit of caffeine and a lot of yoh
30-35mg yoh 50mg caff i get no anxiety sides just physical sides when im actually doing cardio.  heartrate rises very fast and is very slow to go down once carido finishes
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Focused on March 21, 2014, 02:21:45 PM
dang I always wrote yohimbine off as a bs supplement that companies marketed for fat people. after reading this thread and looking into how it actually works I kinda wanna try it. I learned about the alpha receptors in exercise physiology so it makes sense to me.

Does anybody know anything about Rauwolscine? roon? haha
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Focused on March 21, 2014, 02:39:23 PM
I just read that yohimbine taken with food might add to insulin release from pancreatic cells. But sense yohimbine only adds to the insulin release induced from glucose, yohimbine will not induce insulin realease in a fasted state.

EDIT: ok it just dawned on me why this happens. there are alpha receptors on the pancreas and an agonist binds to those alpha receptors it signals the pancreas to not secrete insulin. yoh is an antagonist on alpha receptors so it blocks the alpha receptors from telling the pancreas to stop releasing insulin. Exercise science as a major has its perks haha

Which is good because we don?t want insulin when trying to burn fat. But maybe you could take yoh with your meals to get a bigger insulin spike? (probably not a cost effective way to increase insulin)

Adrenoceptor antagonists, but not guanethidine, reduce glucopenia-induced glucagon secretion from perfused rat pancreas.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8861456

Involvement of a central nervous pathway in yohimbine-induced insulin secretion.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2566496

Plasma catecholamine levels and lipid mobilization induced by yohimbine
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1885256

Alpha 2-antagonist compounds and lipid mobilization
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2906290
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 21, 2014, 06:12:31 PM
Looked at my bottle of oep never noticed the bark extract.  That explains all since what I have now is hcl.  Also yes I pretty much just adopted IF full time now at least that is the plan.  I like it works for me.  Now zero dairy will be a problem but I can cut it back and there will be a good 6 hours before I eat any thing after my clen yohimbie dose.  That should be good I hope.  Only need about 5 maybe 10 more pounds then it's back to tren bulk for me.  Roon you must research way more then me and that it's saying a some thing.  I going to start my dosing Friday nit Saturday will post on how it goes you been really helpful.
You don't need zero dairy, the main issue is cheese. Chances are there won't be much effect anyway but it might be a good idea to drop cheese if you are eating any. :)
The IF guess is because fasting periods can increase norepinephrine levels. I would guess that you experienced the side effects when the Yohimbine was blocking enough receptors to reach a 'threshold' level of norepinephrine - raising BP and heart rate and giving you the irritability sides. The lethargy is a side effect based on the stimulant properties of Caffeine + Yohimbine. This gives you the feeling of energy thus likely increasing activity levels despite the actual energy sources not existing.

dang I always wrote yohimbine off as a bs supplement that companies marketed for fat people. after reading this thread and looking into how it actually works I kinda wanna try it. I learned about the alpha receptors in exercise physiology so it makes sense to me.
Haha, it's one of those things that has to be used properly and with proper expectations. Supp companies take the known effects and exaggerate them. Also they tend to use Yohimbe bark not Yohimbine HCL, in the same way as they use Ephedra extract not Ephedrine HCL.

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Does anybody know anything about Rauwolscine? roon? haha
Who, me?     ...Maybe  :P

I just read that yohimbine taken with food might add to insulin release from pancreatic cells. But sense yohimbine only adds to the insulin release induced from glucose, yohimbine will not induce insulin realease in a fasted state.

EDIT: ok it just dawned on me why this happens. there are alpha receptors on the pancreas and an agonist binds to those alpha receptors it signals the pancreas to not secrete insulin. yoh is an antagonist on alpha receptors so it blocks the alpha receptors from telling the pancreas to stop releasing insulin. Exercise science as a major has its perks haha
Lol, I've only posted that it's an Alpha-2 antagonist 3 or 4 times...     ;D

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Which is good because we don?t want insulin when trying to burn fat. But maybe you could take yoh with your meals to get a bigger insulin spike? (probably not a cost effective way to increase insulin)
Yep that's the point! Fasting + Yohimbine = fat loss.

Sadly you haven't fully read the studies on insulin release, it won't increase insulin spike. This only occurs in conjunction with a Beta antagonist.

By not blocking the Beta receptors, this will theoretically increase insulin secretion, however homeostatic feedback will prevent an increased spike and the addition of glucose stimulates the pancreatic delt cells to secrete somatostatin which overrides both and nullifies the insulin secretion.

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Adrenoceptor antagonists, but not guanethidine, reduce glucopenia-induced glucagon secretion from perfused rat pancreas.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8861456

Involvement of a central nervous pathway in yohimbine-induced insulin secretion.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2566496

Plasma catecholamine levels and lipid mobilization induced by yohimbine
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1885256

Alpha 2-antagonist compounds and lipid mobilization
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2906290
Good studies though!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 21, 2014, 06:48:55 PM
Does anybody know anything about Rauwolscine? roon? haha
I haven't forgotten this!

Rauwolscine is another of the alkaloids found in yohimbe bark, it is molecularly identical to Yohimbine but the arrangement is different. It has almost identical effects but to a lesser degree, it's also less selective in antagonism of alpha-2 vs. alpha-1 receptors.

Yohimbine selectivity: 45 (alpha2: alpha1)
Rauwolscine selectivity: 3 (alpha2: alpha1)

Basically a less effective version :)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on March 21, 2014, 07:30:43 PM
Pretty sure yohimbe is the plant and yohimbine is the hcl version sold as a fat loss/energy/libido supplement.

I've used it and noticed nothing. Waste of money, stay away.

Please, enlighten me?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Focused on March 21, 2014, 10:41:52 PM
Pretty sure yohimbe is the plant and yohimbine is the hcl version sold as a fat loss/energy/libido supplement.

I've used it and noticed nothing. Waste of money, stay away.

Please, enlighten me?

maybe you used bark not HCL or maybe your supplement company lied about the label...

or maybe you were not using it in a fasted state?

Roon pretty much answered everything about yoh in this thread already...
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Focused on March 21, 2014, 10:43:06 PM
Sadly you haven't fully read the studies on insulin release, it won't increase insulin spike. This only occurs in conjunction with a Beta antagonist.

By not blocking the Beta receptors, this will theoretically increase insulin secretion, however homeostatic feedback will prevent an increased spike and the addition of glucose stimulates the pancreatic delt cells to secrete somatostatin which overrides both and nullifies the insulin secretion.

are you a scientist? lol you really know your stuff. Thanks for the info I am finding it helpful.

one of the reasons I was confused is because alpha cells have beta receptors and beta cells have alpha receptors and I got mixed up!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Focused on March 21, 2014, 10:45:34 PM
In case anybody is interested  I picked up 2 grams of powder yoh HCL for stupid cheap on amazon a few hours ago.

But I have a milligram scale already...
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 22, 2014, 12:03:20 AM
Pretty sure yohimbe is the plant and yohimbine is the hcl version sold as a fat loss/energy/libido supplement.

I've used it and noticed nothing. Waste of money, stay away.

Please, enlighten me?

I assume this is aimed at my 'edit' of your post? :)
Perhaps if you read the thread you may reach some enlightenment, I've already posted a few things...

However, without knowing your dosage, timings, other supps, length of use etc. it's quite difficult to see why you didn't experience any results.
It's also pretty pointless to post a blanket statement on a compound such as you have without any kind of proof, reasoning or evidence other than that you personally did not get results. And without posting your use that in itself is a worthless argument.


are you a scientist? lol you really know your stuff. Thanks for the info I am finding it helpful.

one of the reasons I was confused is because alpha cells have beta receptors and beta cells have alpha receptors and I got mixed up!
Lol no problem bro! :)

You mean that alpha cells, alpha1 receptors, alpha2a receptors, alpha2b receptors, alpha2c receptors, beta cells, beta1 receptors and beta 2 receptors can be confusing?  ;D
Damn science, it's all greek to me  :P
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 22, 2014, 12:17:53 AM
So I did some digging on my own just because I was interested and Roon you have got it point on my friend.  I think now that I am going to be dosing a little better I will be able to use yohimbine hcl with my clen and not feel like crap.  Also made me happy that I don't have to cut dairy out completely and its mostly cheese which I don't eat I am a milk person next to egg whites its one of my favorite liquid protein sources.

Little up date started clen yohimbine hcl (primaforce)  20mcg clen with 2.5mg yohimbine and I honestly feel really good little more shaky then normal but good none the less.   
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Perser on March 22, 2014, 12:28:38 AM
roon12 awesome postings fella, can you give a breakdown of an exact Yohimbine HCL protocol you'd recommend?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: serotonin101 on March 22, 2014, 04:44:15 AM
I felt I was cooking/over heating when I was taking 15mg 2x daily. Also the head aches were bad and just all around for terrible. I pitched the rest of the bottle out. .
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 22, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
I felt I was cooking/over heating when I was taking 15mg 2x daily. Also the head aches were bad and just all around for terrible. I pitched the rest of the bottle out. .


FOR SAFETY


if yoh sides ever get too bad take some simple sugars, this will deactivate yoh and you will very quickly be released from all its bad sides ie. within 5 min

you will hurt your fat loss, but sometimes you need to escape the side effects quickly

im at 150mcg t3 for past 5 days 30mg yoh 50mg caff fasted..went for a 1.5 hour bike ride but had to buy a mcdonalds milkshake to counter the yoh towards the end...heartrate was too bad and my energy had plummeted unnaturally.  milkshake got the heartrate under control very quick and all the other physical sides also left.  felt the yoh sides melt away...it is extremely easy to know when 30mg yoh is active in my body and when it is deactive
Title: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 22, 2014, 06:05:18 PM
Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol
Roon12

What is Yohimbine?
Yohimbine is an indole alkaloid found in the bark of the Corynanthe yohimbe tree. The standardised form discussed here is the hydrochloride salt form Yohimbine HCL. It acts primarily by inhibiting the action of Alpha-2 Adrenergic Receptors, exhibiting stimulant and lipolytic effects.
Due to acting on Alpha receptors it has the ability to preferentially target ?stubborn fat? where high concentrations of these receptors are found. In males this is typically the lower abdominal area and low back while in females it is predominantly the hip and thigh areas.

Is this protocol for me?
The goal of this protocol is to remove the last bits of stubborn fat, therefore a degree of leanness is required. These fatty deposits are the last to go so as a rough guide decent abdominal visibility and vascularity are indicators this may be for you.

Introduction.
There are four main components to the fat loss protocol, below is a brief summary of each:
1) Yohimbine HCL: Hopefully this is self-explanatory!
2) Stimulant of Choice: potentiates the effects of the Yohimbine, several variations will be described below
3) Fasting periods: The effects of Yohimbine are negated by the presence of insulin in the bloodstream, therefore it should be used in the fasted state for maximum efficacy
4) Cardio: Low intensity fasted cardio following yohimbine ingestion will act synergistically to enhance the fat burning effects.

Choosing a Stimulant.
There are several stimulants that can be used in conjunction with yohimbine to enhance the effects, each with pros and cons. Since the effects will be amplified it is important to build up the dose steadily and to use only one stimulant alongside yohimbine.

 - Caffeine: This is the best choice for a first time user. It?s cheap, readily available, has few sides on its own and is well tolerated by most.
 - Clenbuterol: A potent thermogenic in its own right, when used in conjunction with yohimbine there are several beneficial effects. Yohimbine will extend the active life of a single clen dose by a few hours as well as delaying the receptor down regulation induced by clen, allowing it to be run continuously for 5-6 weeks.
 - Ephedrine: This is the combination most likely to lead to side effects. Due to the synergistic action, the effects of this combo (both positive and negative) are much greater than the sum of each separately so use this with extreme caution and dose conservatively.

Dosing:
 - Yohimbine: Work up to a max dose of 0.2mg per kilogram (~0.1mg/lb) of bodyweight. Start at half of your max dose and adjust as necessary.
 - Stimulants (choose one!)
   - Caffeine: 200mg should be plenty for most people (note that coffee is NOT an acceptable substitute here)
   - Clenbuterol: Maximum dosage is a ratio of 1mg Yohimbine : 8mcg Clen
    - Ephedrine: Max dose 25mg Ephedrine. The amount of Yohimbine may need to be decreased.

Cardio:
Low intensity cardio is done 30-45 minutes after taking the Yohimbine to allow it time to enter the system. Due to the combined stimulant effects, yohimbine can cause a falsely elevated heart rate; i.e. exertion that would normally raise HR to 140bpm may actually raise HR to 150-160bpm, thus any form of HIIT or weight training is not recommended. I would suggest incline walking as a good option but any form is fine.
The cardio is not absolutely necessary to the efficacy of this method but is highly recommended and will result in greater fat burn than the two parts separately. If cardio is not performed then the fasted period should be extended as described below to allow normal daily activity to expend calories.

Timing:
This method is to be used first thing in the morning, while fasted as insulin is at its lowest here. It can be done every day if needed, with or without cardio. If using every day I would suggest 1-2 days of no cardio per week (at least to start).

 - Immediately on waking take the full dose of Yohimbine and your Stimulant
 - 30-45 minutes later perform 20-60 minutes of Low Intensity Cardio
 - Post-cardio, ideally continue the fasted period for 2-3 hours, however a small protein/fat only meal can be consumed 45 mins post-cardio if necessary
 - Eat as normal for the rest of the day

 - If no cardio is performed then the fasted period should last for 3-4 hours post ingestion of Yohimbine, with regular eating resumed from then on. If absolutely necessary a small protein/fat meal can be consumed at least 2 hours after taking Yohimbine.

Notes:
This method can cause problems in some due to the synergy of the compounds used and the false heart rate induced by Yohimbine. For this reason it is advisable to build up the doses slowly, starting with Yohimbine + Caffeine and ensuring the cardio is kept moderate. The cardio here should also replace any other cardio done that day to prevent excessive fatigue. On a similar note, leg training should ideally be performed on a ?cardio? day using this method but later on in the afternoon/evening. If you train early then leg sessions should be the day after.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 22, 2014, 06:06:01 PM
Original thread with comments and science:

http://www.gh15.org/forum/index.php?topic=28439.0
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 22, 2014, 06:08:14 PM
roon12 awesome postings fella, can you give a breakdown of an exact Yohimbine HCL protocol you'd recommend?
I've been meaning to write some methods for various compounds so as you asked nicely  :P

Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol:

http://www.gh15.org/forum/index.php?topic=28597.0
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: mgag on March 22, 2014, 08:09:25 PM
how come coffee cant be a substitute for caffeine pills in this case?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: mayhem99 on March 22, 2014, 08:19:50 PM
Nice write up Roon thanks for this.  ;D
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Perser on March 22, 2014, 10:39:35 PM
Awesome! I've got plenty of Yohimbine HCL on hand and am starting up your protocol this Morning. Thank you for writing this up, greatly appreciated. You know your Yohimbine, that's for sure!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 22, 2014, 10:55:00 PM
how come coffee cant be a substitute for caffeine pills in this case?
Several reasons. First inaccurate dosing vs. pills. But more importantly the point of the caffeine is to get it into the system quickly along with the Yohimbine for the synergistic effect, for this pills are more effective than coffee.
Also there is a greater insulin response to coffee vs. pure caffeine - lowering the efficacy of yohimbine.


Nice write up Roon thanks for this.  ;D
Awesome! I've got plenty of Yohimbine HCL on hand and am starting up your protocol this Morning. Thank you for writing this up, greatly appreciated. You know your Yohimbine, that's for sure!
Thanks fellas, post up how you get on with it! (BTW I have a few more to come on different compounds  ;))
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Perser on March 22, 2014, 11:18:58 PM
roon12, what do you think of herbal appetite suppressants? I feel they work really well, if I take too much of some like Garcinia or Caralluma it gets to the point where I get nauseous around food, they can be powerful stuff. I think it would be awesome if you started a thread on herbal dietary aids, fat burners, diet enhancers, etc... Did you see my thread on Pyruvate by the way? I'm using 6g of that daily right now as well.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ocdude on March 22, 2014, 11:21:51 PM
How do you feel about Synephrine as the stimulant? I've got both Yoh. HCL and Synephrine HCL raw powder off of Amazon (Still need a scale to measure accurately), but I've noticed it seems to work in the thermogenic sense. I used a starting dose of 15mg Synephrine and 5mg of Yohimbine and working up from there.

Adapted this from another forum where someone suggested a stack of Synephrine, Green Tea Extract (form of EGCG), and chromium.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Perser on March 22, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
How do you feel about Synephrine as the stimulant? I've got both Yoh. HCL and Synephrine HCL raw powder off of Amazon (Still need a scale to measure accurately), but I've noticed it seems to work in the thermogenic sense. I used a starting dose of 15mg Synephrine and 5mg of Yohimbine and working up from there.

Adapted this from another forum where someone suggested a stack of Synephrine, Green Tea Extract (form of EGCG), and chromium.

I've read a lot of good things about Synephrine HCL, something I need to try out as well. I imagine it stacks well with Yohimbine HCL.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ocdude on March 22, 2014, 11:35:31 PM
Add tren to that and I'm flying high!  ;D Of course I'm barely sleeping too. Gotta get that under control somehow.

I'm about 2 weeks into tren at 75mg ED, and started this Syn/Yoh stack 3 days ago.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 22, 2014, 11:50:26 PM
How do you feel about Synephrine as the stimulant? I've got both Yoh. HCL and Synephrine HCL raw powder off of Amazon (Still need a scale to measure accurately), but I've noticed it seems to work in the thermogenic sense. I used a starting dose of 15mg Synephrine and 5mg of Yohimbine and working up from there.

Adapted this from another forum where someone suggested a stack of Synephrine, Green Tea Extract (form of EGCG), and chromium.

I've read a lot of good things about Synephrine HCL, something I need to try out as well. I imagine it stacks well with Yohimbine HCL.


It does indeed stack well :)
Synephrine is basically a slightly less potent version of ephedrine, and has slightly more bias towards Alpha-1 receptors. The stims I mentioned above are just the common ones. If you want to use Synephrine then I would suggest dosing at 4mg for each mg Yohimbine as a max.
It should give less side effects, particularly with regards to blood pressure, but is also a bit less effective.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: herewego on March 23, 2014, 02:28:31 AM
Great write up. I'll be using this later on in my cut blast.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: mayhem99 on March 23, 2014, 02:37:43 AM
how come coffee cant be a substitute for caffeine pills in this case?
Several reasons. First inaccurate dosing vs. pills. But more importantly the point of the caffeine is to get it into the system quickly along with the Yohimbine for the synergistic effect, for this pills are more effective than coffee.
Also there is a greater insulin response to coffee vs. pure caffeine - lowering the efficacy of yohimbine.


Nice write up Roon thanks for this.  ;D
Awesome! I've got plenty of Yohimbine HCL on hand and am starting up your protocol this Morning. Thank you for writing this up, greatly appreciated. You know your Yohimbine, that's for sure!
Thanks fellas, post up how you get on with it! (BTW I have a few more to come on different compounds  ;))

Will do roon.  I will say as of right now doing really well with clen and yohimbie it really seems to enhance the clen a bit as I have hand shakes at a much lower dose.  In two day two of it 40mcg clen and 5mg yohimbie.  I will make up a separate thread for full run down.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 23, 2014, 10:01:39 AM
Hey Roon is there any recommendation that you have got for agitation that is cause by yohimbie.  I am noticing buy about 4 in the after noon I am really sorry and impatient.  Going to stop increasing my dose for a bit see if the helps.  I didn't know if they was Abby thing else I can do figured you are the person to ask.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 23, 2014, 06:39:09 PM
Hey Roon is there any recommendation that you have got for agitation that is cause by yohimbie.  I am noticing buy about 4 in the after noon I am really sorry and impatient.  Going to stop increasing my dose for a bit see if the helps.  I didn't know if they was Abby thing else I can do figured you are the person to ask.

Well, there are a few things  ;)

Make sure you are getting enough Omega-3 and that your Omega 3:Omega-6 ratio is decent.

As far as extra supps go, is it just agitation and impatience or is there anything else?
I would suggest Bacopa Monnieri (with at least 50% bacosides) 300mg, taken with food and at least 4h after yohimbine.
If the agitation is accompanied by headaches then you could add 400mg Ginseng extract at the same time. These are both mild herbal compounds with few if any sides/interactions.

Also check out some of the nootropic stuff I wrote here:
http://www.gh15.org/forum/index.php?topic=28602.0
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 23, 2014, 06:43:42 PM
roon12, what do you think of herbal appetite suppressants? I feel they work really well, if I take too much of some like Garcinia or Caralluma it gets to the point where I get nauseous around food, they can be powerful stuff. I think it would be awesome if you started a thread on herbal dietary aids, fat burners, diet enhancers, etc... Did you see my thread on Pyruvate by the way? I'm using 6g of that daily right now as well.

Appetite suppression is a great topic! I'll have a look at writing some thoughts on it. From personal experience nothing even comes close to Sibutramine though. It isn't a herb but if you can get it 15mg will kill your appetite completely.
The interesting aspect is that the are so many ways of appetite stimulation and individual variance that a general solution is pretty hard to find. Also given that it is subjective it's quite hard to measure too!

I could do a more general thread on herbal enhancement too. Do you think a 'random thoughts' type of thread or a Q&A type thread would be a better idea?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 23, 2014, 11:17:23 PM
Hey Roon is there any recommendation that you have got for agitation that is cause by yohimbie.  I am noticing buy about 4 in the after noon I am really sorry and impatient.  Going to stop increasing my dose for a bit see if the helps.  I didn't know if they was Abby thing else I can do figured you are the person to ask.

Well, there are a few things  ;)

Make sure you are getting enough Omega-3 and that your Omega 3:Omega-6 ratio is decent.

As far as extra supps go, is it just agitation and impatience or is there anything else?
I would suggest Bacopa Monnieri (with at least 50% bacosides) 300mg, taken with food and at least 4h after yohimbine.
If the agitation is accompanied by headaches then you could add 400mg Ginseng extract at the same time. These are both mild herbal compounds with few if any sides/interactions.

Also check out some of the nootropic stuff I wrote here:
http://www.gh15.org/forum/index.php?topic=28602.0

I saw that post on nootropic that was epic there is some stuff I want to try in there.  Its just agitation and impatience I was going to try l-Theanine I know that goes well with caffeine form my experience.  This agitation could also be the fact my girl just moved in about 3 weeks ago and we are still adjusting but I need to not want to choke her (figuratively I don't hit women) when she talks about stuff I don't care about. 
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: mayhem99 on March 23, 2014, 11:24:51 PM
Q&A threads seem to work well here.  Do that  :)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Xidon9 on March 24, 2014, 01:28:05 AM
roon12, in regards to taking yohimbine hcl in fasted stated, i know this is to avoid the presence of elevated insulin levels, but is an overnight fast absolutely necessary ?

or will a simple 2 to 3 hours after last meal is enough for insulin levels to return to baseline & reap benefits of yohimbine hcl ?

i'm guessing for the latter to work the meal would need to be mostly protein, fat & as little carbs as possible.

also, how would you adjust dosing & timing of oral yohimbine hcl vs. inj. yohimbine hcl (as part of helios) ?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 24, 2014, 04:33:12 PM
Q&A threads seem to work well here.  Do that  :)
If people are interested enough then it sounds fun :)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 24, 2014, 05:42:14 PM
roon12, in regards to taking yohimbine hcl in fasted stated, i know this is to avoid the presence of elevated insulin levels, but is an overnight fast absolutely necessary ?

or will a simple 2 to 3 hours after last meal is enough for insulin levels to return to baseline & reap benefits of yohimbine hcl ?

i'm guessing for the latter to work the meal would need to be mostly protein, fat & as little carbs as possible.

also, how would you adjust dosing & timing of oral yohimbine hcl vs. inj. yohimbine hcl (as part of helios) ?
I was waiting for this question ;D
So firstly my question would be why do you want to use this protocol at another time? And when?

As far as answering, depending on meal composition and size (and individual variance) then insulin is likely to return to pre-meal levels at around 3-4 hours post eating. Since there is a lot of variance here depending on genetics, when in the day you do this, how many meals you have eaten and so on I can't give a concrete value.
So in short, yes it will work but not as well as the timing I have given.

There are also several othe reasons for my timings. Due to circadian regulation, insulin baseline levels are at their lowest upon waking, regardless of other factors. Also, given that you are consuming a decent amount of stimulants, doing this later in the day is probably unwise, and also negates the use of clen since the daily dose is taken in one go.

As for Helios, I wouldn't recommend it, as it is designed for localised loss in the injected area as opposed to general loss. However that's down to you! Assuming you have the standard Clen/Yohimbine version I would suggest the same max doses but advise extra caution in working up to them as the effects will hit faster and harder. For that reason the timing would shorten so that cardio is 20-30 minutes post injection.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 24, 2014, 05:44:17 PM
I saw that post on nootropic that was epic there is some stuff I want to try in there.  Its just agitation and impatience I was going to try l-Theanine I know that goes well with caffeine form my experience.  This agitation could also be the fact my girl just moved in about 3 weeks ago and we are still adjusting but I need to not want to choke her (figuratively I do hit women) when she talks about stuff I don't care about.
The problem with Theanine is that when used in combo with caffeine it can actually act as a stimulant in its own right, so your positive experience may have just been topping up your stim dose :)

I can't do anything about the girl problems though...
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 24, 2014, 07:43:34 PM
this is the bulk powder i use, good stuff:

5 Grams Yohimbine HCL 99% Bulk Powder (http://www.amazon.com/Grams-Yohimbine-HCL-Bulk-Powder/dp/B005XOUOA4)

5 grams will last you a long long time
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 24, 2014, 07:48:11 PM
Its seems to be better now that I leveled my dose of the yohimbine so looks like I just need to take it a little slower on my ramp up which is fine.  As for the women I think we worked it out so no need to help there roon you have done enough.  This has been a good learning experiance for the next time I do this which is what I was going for I don't need to cut much longer and plan to recomp/ gain into my meet at the end of the year.  Will be happy for that.


BTW i edited my last post I DON"T hit women and dislike anyone that does i need to quit typing and talking at the same time. 
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Drako88 on March 24, 2014, 08:52:12 PM
Nice description, thanks for sharing.
I will try the protocol with caffein when my yohimbine arrives
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: uL7iMa on March 24, 2014, 09:15:52 PM
I'm one of those people who don't respond well to Yohimbine. Just a tiny 5mg of Yohimbine makes me feel nauseous all day and general unwellness. Doesn't seem to have much effect on fat for me either, but maybe thats because my dosages were so low.

I didn't get any of the shaking, but it completely DESTROYED my appetite for the day. Almost like a heartburn like feeling.

Ephedrine, on the other hand, doesn't give me such an effect.

Is there a reason why some people react to Yohimbine like that?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Diluted56 on March 24, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
I'm going to try upload a pic of my Yohimbine supplement I got later tonight. From reading the dosages prescribed in this thread and on the protocol thread something just doesn't add up. My pills are supposedly 500mg each, seems fishy I'll see what you guys think. I haven't used it as I haven't needed to.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: PennyFarthing on March 24, 2014, 09:59:04 PM
Ordered yohimbine hcl today.

will try this protocol out as soon as it comes.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: mayhem99 on March 24, 2014, 10:32:07 PM
I'm going to try upload a pic of my Yohimbine supplement I got later tonight. From reading the dosages prescribed in this thread and on the protocol thread something just doesn't add up. My pills are supposedly 500mg each, seems fishy I'll see what you guys think. I haven't used it as I haven't needed to.

Holly crap yeah that seems weird everything I have ever got was 2.5mg caps of yohinbine HCL.  I think you the bark extract which is vary different in its concentration.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 24, 2014, 10:38:26 PM
I'm going to try upload a pic of my Yohimbine supplement I got later tonight. From reading the dosages prescribed in this thread and on the protocol thread something just doesn't add up. My pills are supposedly 500mg each, seems fishy I'll see what you guys think. I haven't used it as I haven't needed to.
They're not lol.
Upload a pic or post the name of the supp.

I'm going to guess that what you have is Yohimbe, this is not the same as Yohimbine HCL.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 24, 2014, 11:36:20 PM
I'm one of those people who don't respond well to Yohimbine. Just a tiny 5mg of Yohimbine makes me feel nauseous all day and general unwellness. Doesn't seem to have much effect on fat for me either, but maybe thats because my dosages were so low.

I didn't get any of the shaking, but it completely DESTROYED my appetite for the day. Almost like a heartburn like feeling.

Ephedrine, on the other hand, doesn't give me such an effect.

Is there a reason why some people react to Yohimbine like that?

Yep :)

The effects you're describing are likely caused by excess serotonin. Since Yohimbine acts on A2 receptors unlike other stims it can have the effect of acting as an MOAI. Ephedrine acts via different pathways so won't do this.

Were you taking any other stims, drugs or medication at the same time? If not then you may just be very sensitive to serotonin levels.
In terms of fat burning 5mg is a very small dose anyway but how and when were you taking it? (fasted, with other stims etc.)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 26, 2014, 03:55:58 AM
Nice description, thanks for sharing.
I will try the protocol with caffein when my yohimbine arrives
Ordered yohimbine hcl today.

will try this protocol out as soon as it comes.

Thanks!

Good stuff guys. Any questions ask away!

And post up how you get on!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Focused on March 26, 2014, 07:22:33 AM
thanks for all the info roon!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on March 26, 2014, 07:55:24 AM
What would happen if you crushed or opened your yohimbine capsules/tablets and then mixed them with lotion and put it on your skin?
Will this be a waste?
Has anyone tried this?

Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Diluted56 on March 26, 2014, 02:49:46 PM
Hi Roon

What do you think?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Diluted56 on March 26, 2014, 02:50:33 PM
Second pic
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Xidon9 on March 26, 2014, 04:40:23 PM
roon12, in regards to taking yohimbine hcl in fasted stated, i know this is to avoid the presence of elevated insulin levels, but is an overnight fast absolutely necessary ?

or will a simple 2 to 3 hours after last meal is enough for insulin levels to return to baseline & reap benefits of yohimbine hcl ?

i'm guessing for the latter to work the meal would need to be mostly protein, fat & as little carbs as possible.

also, how would you adjust dosing & timing of oral yohimbine hcl vs. inj. yohimbine hcl (as part of helios) ?
I was waiting for this question ;D
So firstly my question would be why do you want to use this protocol at another time? And when?

As far as answering, depending on meal composition and size (and individual variance) then insulin is likely to return to pre-meal levels at around 3-4 hours post eating. Since there is a lot of variance here depending on genetics, when in the day you do this, how many meals you have eaten and so on I can't give a concrete value.
So in short, yes it will work but not as well as the timing I have given.

There are also several othe reasons for my timings. Due to circadian regulation, insulin baseline levels are at their lowest upon waking, regardless of other factors. Also, given that you are consuming a decent amount of stimulants, doing this later in the day is probably unwise, and also negates the use of clen since the daily dose is taken in one go.

As for Helios, I wouldn't recommend it, as it is designed for localised loss in the injected area as opposed to general loss. However that's down to you! Assuming you have the standard Clen/Yohimbine version I would suggest the same max doses but advise extra caution in working up to them as the effects will hit faster and harder. For that reason the timing would shorten so that cardio is 20-30 minutes post injection.

lol i'm glad i asked the question you wanted to be asked !  ;D

to answer your question, there's a couple of reasons to use yohimbine hcl other than first thing in the morning.

while using it previous times, i noticed it improves pumps if taken with 30-45 mins preworkout.

also, if yohimbine is going to stimulate alpha receptors to release fatty acids from adipose tissue, we'd want to do some form of exercise to use it up for energy. i don't always have the time to do cardio first thing in the morning (only 1-2 times/week), so later in the day before lifting is the next best option for me.

that's not to say that i won't try dosing 1st thing in the morning if you say it makes a noticeable difference, in fact i'll give it a shot anyway to see for myself.

also, regarding what you said about helios, i've used it before & using it now as well, so i can tell you that its effects are systemic for the most part, very little if any localized effect.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 26, 2014, 04:45:19 PM
Hi Roon

What do you think?

Aha! The two words you don't want to see on a supp bottle:  'Proprietary Blend'

What your supp has is 500mg of their 'super special secret formula' which includes Yohimbine HCL, but as it is a proprietary bleend they don't have to disclose the amount!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 26, 2014, 04:58:30 PM
lol i'm glad i asked the question you wanted to be asked !  ;D

to answer your question, there's a couple of reasons to use yohimbine hcl other than first thing in the morning.

while using it previous times, i noticed it improves pumps if taken with 30-45 mins preworkout.
Well as it increases BP and can cause falsely elevated heart rate, increased pumps are to be expected!

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also, if yohimbine is going to stimulate alpha receptors to release fatty acids from adipose tissue, we'd want to do some form of exercise to use it up for energy. i don't always have the time to do cardio first thing in the morning (only 1-2 times/week), so later in the day before lifting is the next best option for me.
Partly correct. Yes fatty acids are released, but what we need to do is simply expend energy, thus the additional stimulant to raise metabolic rate and either cardio OR an extended fast. If you don't do the cardio you can just extend the fasting period, allowing your BMR to be the source of calorie expenditure.
This is why I recommended a longer fasting period in the absence of cardio - simply moving about in your day-to-day life will burn the calories given adequate time.

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that's not to say that i won't try dosing 1st thing in the morning if you say it makes a noticeable difference, in fact i'll give it a shot anyway to see for myself.
Give it a go with the extended fast on non-cardio days. I'd be interested to see if you notice the change.

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also, regarding what you said about helios, i've used it before & using it now as well, so i can tell you that its effects are systemic for the most part, very little if any localized effect.
Interesting, how varied have your doses been? I've always found that as dose increases the localised effect becomes more pronounced.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Xidon9 on March 26, 2014, 05:15:28 PM
lol i'm glad i asked the question you wanted to be asked !  ;D

to answer your question, there's a couple of reasons to use yohimbine hcl other than first thing in the morning.

while using it previous times, i noticed it improves pumps if taken with 30-45 mins preworkout.
Well as it increases BP and can cause falsely elevated heart rate, increased pumps are to be expected!

yep, pumps are always nice, especially if you're cutting ! haha

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also, if yohimbine is going to stimulate alpha receptors to release fatty acids from adipose tissue, we'd want to do some form of exercise to use it up for energy. i don't always have the time to do cardio first thing in the morning (only 1-2 times/week), so later in the day before lifting is the next best option for me.
Partly correct. Yes fatty acids are released, but what we need to do is simply expend energy, thus the additional stimulant to raise metabolic rate and either cardio OR an extended fast. If you don't do the cardio you can just extend the fasting period, allowing your BMR to be the source of calorie expenditure.
This is why I recommended a longer fasting period in the absence of cardio - simply moving about in your day-to-day life will burn the calories given adequate time.

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that's not to say that i won't try dosing 1st thing in the morning if you say it makes a noticeable difference, in fact i'll give it a shot anyway to see for myself.
Give it a go with the extended fast on non-cardio days. I'd be interested to see if you notice the change.

5x/wk (lifting days) i'll do 1st thing in the morning & extended the fast as you suggested to 3-4 hours post shot or as long as i can.
2x/wk (cardio days) i'll do 1st thing in morning before doing cardio.


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also, regarding what you said about helios, i've used it before & using it now as well, so i can tell you that its effects are systemic for the most part, very little if any localized effect.
Interesting, how varied have your doses been? I've always found that as dose increases the localised effect becomes more pronounced.

usually helios is dosed 40mcg clen & 5.4mg yohimbine hcl per ml. start at 0.5ml/day, work up gradually, i don't recall going above 1ml/before but i'm considering it this time. also thinking about using some extra oral yohimbine hcl before cardio sessions in addition to the helios.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Diluted56 on March 26, 2014, 05:32:35 PM
Hi Roon

What do you think?

Aha! The two words you don't want to see on a supp bottle:  'Proprietary Blend'

What your supp has is 500mg of their 'super special secret formula' which includes Yohimbine HCL, but as it is a proprietary bleend they don't have to disclose the amount!

Haha thanks for the reply Roon, yeah I saw that on the bottle and that's why I wanted to post it up here. Like I said I haven't used it, I got it for free from a mate so its not a concern for me really. In regards to the dosing in your protocol for instance I am a little hesitant to use this supplement as I have no idea what else is in this thing or even the actual yohimbine amount itself. But maybe sometime in the future I'll give it a try but in no rush.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 26, 2014, 05:44:24 PM
What would happen if you crushed or opened your yohimbine capsules/tablets and then mixed them with lotion and put it on your skin?
Will this be a waste?
Has anyone tried this?
You would have lovely smooth skin covering your adipose tissue... :D
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on March 26, 2014, 08:53:33 PM
What would happen if you crushed or opened your yohimbine capsules/tablets and then mixed them with lotion and put it on your skin?
Will this be a waste?
Has anyone tried this?
You would have lovely smooth skin covering your adipose tissue... :D

Lol.

So it wouldn't help with adipose,
Just make the skin on it smooth.

Lol
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Perser on March 26, 2014, 09:00:14 PM
I use PrimaForce Yohimbine HCL, it's legit.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 27, 2014, 01:38:18 AM
I use PrimaForce Yohimbine HCL, it's legit.

waste of money buy 99% bulk powder for $15 will last you 2 years
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Perser on March 28, 2014, 04:42:38 PM
roon12, will taking Cinnamon and/or Chromium at high dosages alongside the Yohimbine HCL have positive or negative effects, this is assuming we are in a 100% fasted state of course. In my mind it would enhance Yohimbine's effects, but you're the expert so I'm asking you buddy.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Perser on March 28, 2014, 06:56:49 PM
Okay fellas, is it just me or is Yohimbine making me hornier?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Doink86 on March 28, 2014, 06:59:23 PM
Isn't this Lyle McDonald's stubborn fat loss protocol?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 28, 2014, 07:40:40 PM
roon12, will taking Cinnamon and/or Chromium at high dosages alongside the Yohimbine HCL have positive or negative effects, this is assuming we are in a 100% fasted state of course. In my mind it would enhance Yohimbine's effects, but you're the expert so I'm asking you buddy.

Why would you want to?

Chromium is dubious anyway - the only effect it seems to have is a slight increase in glucose metabolism but this has only been seen in diabetics.

Cinnamon is awesome but why would you want it in the fasted state?
I don't see any physiological problems caused by interactions though.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 28, 2014, 07:48:12 PM
Okay fellas, is it just me or is Yohimbine making me hornier?
Lol yes, it is used for libido

Isn't this Lyle McDonald's stubborn fat loss protocol?
Very similar to one of his protocols in the yohimbine use and dosing - largely as they are based on the same source data. The stimulant Globalge is different, as are the cardio recommendations and feeding times to emphasise bodybuilding applications.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Perser on March 28, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
roon12, will taking Cinnamon and/or Chromium at high dosages alongside the Yohimbine HCL have positive or negative effects, this is assuming we are in a 100% fasted state of course. In my mind it would enhance Yohimbine's effects, but you're the expert so I'm asking you buddy.

Why would you want to?

Chromium is dubious anyway - the only effect it seems to have is a slight increase in glucose metabolism but this has only been seen in diabetics.

Cinnamon is awesome but why would you want it in the fasted state?
I don't see any physiological problems caused by interactions though.

Thanks for the reply bro. Yeah I've heard Chromium is overrated in the past too, my Cinnamon supplement has Chromium in it that's why I take it. I've heard R-ALA is what you want instead of Chromium.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Drako88 on March 29, 2014, 03:53:09 AM
got my shipping today ;D
im going to try the protocol and give my feedback later.

(http://i.imgur.com/iIWEw9t.jpg)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: serotonin101 on March 29, 2014, 05:22:10 AM
I liked the prima force yohimbine. Little 2.5mg beans right? They do what they're suppose to.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 29, 2014, 05:39:30 PM
I liked the prima force yohimbine. Little 2.5mg beans right? They do what they're suppose to.
It definitely does the job but is hugely overpriced compared to pure Yohimbine HCL powder.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 29, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
I liked the prima force yohimbine. Little 2.5mg beans right? They do what they're suppose to.
It definitely does the job but is hugely overpriced compared to pure Yohimbine HCL powder.

i gave a link on page 2 to amazon 5 gram powder pack.  $15
will last people 2 years
i guess people like to waste money or something
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 29, 2014, 11:33:19 PM
roon12, will taking Cinnamon and/or Chromium at high dosages alongside the Yohimbine HCL have positive or negative effects, this is assuming we are in a 100% fasted state of course. In my mind it would enhance Yohimbine's effects, but you're the expert so I'm asking you buddy.

Why would you want to?

Chromium is dubious anyway - the only effect it seems to have is a slight increase in glucose metabolism but this has only been seen in diabetics.

Cinnamon is awesome but why would you want it in the fasted state?
I don't see any physiological problems caused by interactions though.

Thanks for the reply bro. Yeah I've heard Chromium is overrated in the past too, my Cinnamon supplement has Chromium in it that's why I take it. I've heard R-ALA is what you want instead of Chromium.

For what??
And why cinnamon while fasted?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on March 30, 2014, 12:20:56 AM
I feel like its my duty to warn everybody of my bad experience. If you dont want to read just read this: for god's sake don't start off with to big of a dose unless you know how it affects you.

First time trying yoh hcl I took 10mg when I woke up (empty stomach) I felt sick about 30 minutes later. I went to the gym about an hour and a half after taking the yoh even though I was sick. It was horrible...I was sweating more than usual but felt really cold and had goose bumps and felt like throwing up. The only cool part was I was veining out like crazy.

But I had to cut my work out super short, then I remembered that if you ate the insulin would kill yoh's effects. so I ate then laid down for 30 minutes, felt a little better and went back in and did some more sets but my work out was still shitty.

I was literally sick for 12 hours. 9am to 9pm. I felt nausea the whole time. This was with out any other stimulants!

Today (5 days later) I decided to try again because obviously this stuff works. I took 3mg. No sickness this time! I feel good. I feel hot and cold at the same time. Its not crazy hot and cold it doesnt bother me really, thats just the best way I can describe it.

oh and its true about the part that it increases blood flow to certain "areas" of the body haha
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on March 31, 2014, 07:40:36 AM
I just thought this study was interesting and worth sharing

This study shows what happened after 14 days of taking yoh.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1963844

Abstract
The effects of 14 days of treatment with the alpha 2-adrenoceptor antagonist yohimbine on cardiovascular parameters (blood pressure and heart rate), plasma catecholamines, insulin and non-esterified fatty acids (NEFA), and the number of alpha 2-adrenoceptors on platelets have been evaluated. The treatment increased plasma noradrenaline but not adrenaline and did not change the other cardiovascular, metabolic or routine blood parameters. It caused a decrease in the velocity of adrenaline-induced platelet aggregation, although [3H]-yohimbine binding to platelets remained unchanged. Acute administration of yohimbine before the experiment led to a significant increase in plasma noradrenaline and NEFA levels. After the 15 day treatment, acute administration of the same dose of yohimbine had less effect on plasma NEFA and there was no significant change in plasma noradrenaline. The acute lipid-mobilizing effect of yohimbine in healthy volunteers persisted after the 14 days of treatment with no change in other parameters. The prolonged alpha 2-adrenoceptor blockade with yohimbine did not induce any change in platelet alpha 2-adrenoceptors.

So after 14 days yoh did not change plazma norepinephrine  (nor adrenaline)

But the lipid-mobilizing effect of yohimbine continued after the 14 days.

What I understand from this is that yoh's fat buring proporites are not from the stimulant effects but through a different pathway when blocking the alpha receptors (I actually already knew that)

The only thing I dont understand is when they talk about "platelet alpha 2-adrenoceptors"

platelets have alpha 2-adrenoceptors?? wtf?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: MrP on March 31, 2014, 08:45:23 AM
What would you suggest, for example about 13%bf, cutting for an additional 11weeks, would you incorporate a YOH protocol, or stick with a ECA stack instead and why? Goal is to hit the 7-8% range, on no gear...

a link of ECA: http://examine.com/supplements/ECA/
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on March 31, 2014, 08:57:15 AM
What would you suggest, for example about 13%bf, cutting for an additional 11weeks, would you incorporate a YOH protocol, or stick with a ECA stack instead and why? Goal is to hit the 7-8% range, on no gear...

a link of ECA: http://examine.com/supplements/ECA/

its your call man. yoh is popular to use once you hit the 7-8% range because it helps target the "stubborn fat" that is harder to burn the leaner you get. but yoh can still be a great addition from the start. its really your personal choice.

But I do not recommend trying to cut past 7-8% with out hormones IMO just because I have been lean as fuck as a natural but the price was loss of libido and loss of muscle.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: MrP on March 31, 2014, 09:30:56 AM
What would you suggest, for example about 13%bf, cutting for an additional 11weeks, would you incorporate a YOH protocol, or stick with a ECA stack instead and why? Goal is to hit the 7-8% range, on no gear...

a link of ECA: http://examine.com/supplements/ECA/

its your call man. yoh is popular to use once you hit the 7-8% range because it helps target the "stubborn fat" that is harder to burn the leaner you get. but yoh can still be a great addition from the start. its really your personal choice.

But I do not recommend trying to cut past 7-8% with out hormones IMO just because I have been lean as fuck as a natural but the price was loss of libido and loss of muscle.

I agree on the loss of libido and muscle loss as well. I may just do the eca at this point and see where I end up In a few weeks time. I know my stubborn areas if I reach 9% and still see the stubborn area I'll introduce yoh. 
Can anyone Reccomened a good ephedrine product or maybe were to buy? Ty
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Drako88 on March 31, 2014, 03:04:00 PM
I liked the prima force yohimbine. Little 2.5mg beans right? They do what they're suppose to.
It definitely does the job but is hugely overpriced compared to pure Yohimbine HCL powder.

i gave a link on page 2 to amazon 5 gram powder pack.  $15
will last people 2 years
i guess people like to waste money or something

Im dont live in america so it is not that easy to get the yohimbine hcl to my place because its not allowed here
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on March 31, 2014, 03:09:10 PM
Pretty sure yohimbe is the plant and yohimbine is the hcl version sold as a fat loss/energy/libido supplement.

I've used it and noticed nothing. Waste of money, stay away.

Please, enlighten me?

maybe you used bark not HCL or maybe your supplement company lied about the label...

or maybe you were not using it in a fasted state?

Roon pretty much answered everything about yoh in this thread already...

Nah I used the HCL in a fasted state at the dosage he recommends (google is pretty amaxing, can find this yohimbine info anywhere...I thought it would be pretty obvious on a site like this its method of action etc...old school lol)....

Like I said, noticed nothing at all. The INJECTABLE clen/yohimbine mix....now THAT shit sucks your tummy up real quick. I dunno how much is fat/water loss but it works for sure.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 31, 2014, 03:32:01 PM
I just thought this study was interesting and worth sharing
Ooooh science :)

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What I understand from this is that yoh's fat buring proporites are not from the stimulant effects but through a different pathway when blocking the alpha receptors (I actually already knew that)
Sort of. Yohimbine doesn't actually 'burn fat'. It's specific action is to facilitate the release of fatty acids into the bloodstream, preferentially from stubborn fat areas via inhibition of Alpha-2 receptors.

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The only thing I dont understand is when they talk about "platelet alpha 2-adrenoceptors"

platelets have alpha 2-adrenoceptors?? wtf?
Short answer: Yes :)
Alpha-2 receptors are found almost everywhere! It's the quantity and distribution that's important to the action of Yohimbine. Stubborn fat exists as it has a higher ratio of Alpha-2 receptors : Beta receptors than other fat cells.



What would you suggest, for example about 13%bf, cutting for an additional 11weeks, would you incorporate a YOH protocol, or stick with a ECA stack instead and why? Goal is to hit the 7-8% range, on no gear...

a link of ECA: http://examine.com/supplements/ECA/

its your call man. yoh is popular to use once you hit the 7-8% range because it helps target the "stubborn fat" that is harder to burn the leaner you get. but yoh can still be a great addition from the start. its really your personal choice.

But I do not recommend trying to cut past 7-8% with out hormones IMO just because I have been lean as fuck as a natural but the price was loss of libido and loss of muscle.

I agree on the loss of libido and muscle loss as well. I may just do the eca at this point and see where I end up In a few weeks time. I know my stubborn areas if I reach 9% and still see the stubborn area I'll introduce yoh. 
Can anyone Reccomened a good ephedrine product or maybe were to buy? Ty

Did you read the protocol? :)
At 13%bf you don't really have 'stubborn fat'. The point of this is to preferentially target the last few lbs - generally you should be sub 10% for this to apply.
Use only what is necessary so that you have something extra to add in later.
IMO save the yoh for the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 31, 2014, 03:36:48 PM
Nah I used the HCL in a fasted state at the dosage he recommends (google is pretty amaxing, can find this yohimbine info anywhere...I thought it would be pretty obvious on a site like this its method of action etc...old school lol)....

Like I said, noticed nothing at all. The INJECTABLE clen/yohimbine mix....now THAT shit sucks your tummy up real quick. I dunno how much is fat/water loss but it works for sure.

You noticed absolutely nothing at all??
No stim effect, heart rate increase etc...
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on March 31, 2014, 03:38:59 PM
Nah I used the HCL in a fasted state at the dosage he recommends (google is pretty amaxing, can find this yohimbine info anywhere...I thought it would be pretty obvious on a site like this its method of action etc...old school lol)....

Like I said, noticed nothing at all. The INJECTABLE clen/yohimbine mix....now THAT shit sucks your tummy up real quick. I dunno how much is fat/water loss but it works for sure.

You noticed absolutely nothing at all??
No stim effect, heart rate increase etc...

Sorry, I meant to say hardly any fat loss on a impeccable diet (compared to if I was using nothing).

I got a few erections, bit of a blood pressure spike now and then, that's about it.

Much better options in my opinion.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 31, 2014, 04:20:40 PM
Nah I used the HCL in a fasted state at the dosage he recommends (google is pretty amaxing, can find this yohimbine info anywhere...I thought it would be pretty obvious on a site like this its method of action etc...old school lol)....

Like I said, noticed nothing at all. The INJECTABLE clen/yohimbine mix....now THAT shit sucks your tummy up real quick. I dunno how much is fat/water loss but it works for sure.

You noticed absolutely nothing at all??
No stim effect, heart rate increase etc...

Sorry, I meant to say hardly any fat loss on a impeccable diet (compared to if I was using nothing).

I got a few erections, bit of a blood pressure spike now and then, that's about it.

Much better options in my opinion.

What bf% were you at?
And what do you mean by 'impeccable diet'?

That post clears up a bit as I've never heard of anyone not experiencing any effect at all!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on March 31, 2014, 04:29:23 PM
Nah I used the HCL in a fasted state at the dosage he recommends (google is pretty amaxing, can find this yohimbine info anywhere...I thought it would be pretty obvious on a site like this its method of action etc...old school lol)....

Like I said, noticed nothing at all. The INJECTABLE clen/yohimbine mix....now THAT shit sucks your tummy up real quick. I dunno how much is fat/water loss but it works for sure.

You noticed absolutely nothing at all??
No stim effect, heart rate increase etc...

Sorry, I meant to say hardly any fat loss on a impeccable diet (compared to if I was using nothing).

I got a few erections, bit of a blood pressure spike now and then, that's about it.

Much better options in my opinion.

What bf% were you at?
And what do you mean by 'impeccable diet'?

That post clears up a bit as I've never heard of anyone not experiencing any effect at all!

Maybe 15%, give or take. Low carb, very clean diet.

I noticed no additional weight loss or sculpting effects. Clen was much more effective for me.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 31, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Nah I used the HCL in a fasted state at the dosage he recommends (google is pretty amaxing, can find this yohimbine info anywhere...I thought it would be pretty obvious on a site like this its method of action etc...old school lol)....

Like I said, noticed nothing at all. The INJECTABLE clen/yohimbine mix....now THAT shit sucks your tummy up real quick. I dunno how much is fat/water loss but it works for sure.

You noticed absolutely nothing at all??
No stim effect, heart rate increase etc...

Sorry, I meant to say hardly any fat loss on a impeccable diet (compared to if I was using nothing).

I got a few erections, bit of a blood pressure spike now and then, that's about it.

Much better options in my opinion.

What bf% were you at?
And what do you mean by 'impeccable diet'?

That post clears up a bit as I've never heard of anyone not experiencing any effect at all!

Maybe 15%, give or take. Low carb, very clean diet.

I noticed no additional weight loss or sculpting effects. Clen was much more effective for me.

^There's your problem^

BF too high to have 'stubborn fat' which is the main use of Yohimbine and a diet based on macronutrient bias and arbitrary classification of foods...
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on March 31, 2014, 04:44:07 PM
Nah I used the HCL in a fasted state at the dosage he recommends (google is pretty amaxing, can find this yohimbine info anywhere...I thought it would be pretty obvious on a site like this its method of action etc...old school lol)....

Like I said, noticed nothing at all. The INJECTABLE clen/yohimbine mix....now THAT shit sucks your tummy up real quick. I dunno how much is fat/water loss but it works for sure.

You noticed absolutely nothing at all??
No stim effect, heart rate increase etc...

Sorry, I meant to say hardly any fat loss on a impeccable diet (compared to if I was using nothing).

I got a few erections, bit of a blood pressure spike now and then, that's about it.

Much better options in my opinion.

What bf% were you at?
And what do you mean by 'impeccable diet'?

That post clears up a bit as I've never heard of anyone not experiencing any effect at all!

Maybe 15%, give or take. Low carb, very clean diet.

I noticed no additional weight loss or sculpting effects. Clen was much more effective for me.

^There's your problem^

BF too high to have 'stubborn fat' which is the main use of Yohimbine and a diet based on macronutrient bias and arbitrary classification of foods...

LOL...Yeah I figured as much. But the injectable version worked like a bomb, I dropped like 2% a week.

Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 31, 2014, 05:56:00 PM
Injectable = Yoh + Clen  :)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on March 31, 2014, 06:02:25 PM
Injectable = Yoh + Clen  :)

How do you know it was the clen? I've tried all combos of this stack both injectable and orally at various stages of leanness.

Are you trying to sell yohimbine?

The shit is garbage, spikes blood pressure, has mediocre fat loss effects and los of side effects.

Clen and T3 are far superior.

I don't mean to spit on your thread but you seem to have an answer for everything, yes I understand how it's SUPPOSED to work but its really ineffective compared to other tools we have available to us.

Just my 2 cents, I'm going to leave it at that.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on March 31, 2014, 06:27:45 PM
Injectable = Yoh + Clen  :)

How do you know it was the clen? I've tried all combos of this stack both injectable and orally at various stages of leanness.

Are you trying to sell yohimbine?

The shit is garbage, spikes blood pressure, has mediocre fat loss effects and los of side effects.

Clen and T3 are far superior.

I don't mean to spit on your thread but you seem to have an answer for everything, yes I understand how it's SUPPOSED to work but its really ineffective compared to other tools we have available to us.

Just my 2 cents, I'm going to leave it at that.
Well I do have an answer to some things :)
You had a bad experience with Yohimbine - fair enough. Not everyone gets on well with every compound however dismissing it entirely based on your own personal experience is ridiculous.

Yohimbine is not supposed to be a 'fat burner' on its own (IMO). It is best used to target the last few lbs of 'stubborn fat' in conjunction with traditional stims like clen.

T3 is not a fat burner or a stimulant, why are you comparing it to Clen and Yohimbine?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: MrP on March 31, 2014, 07:34:33 PM
I just thought this study was interesting and worth sharing
Ooooh science :)

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What I understand from this is that yoh's fat buring proporites are not from the stimulant effects but through a different pathway when blocking the alpha receptors (I actually already knew that)
Sort of. Yohimbine doesn't actually 'burn fat'. It's specific action is to facilitate the release of fatty acids into the bloodstream, preferentially from stubborn fat areas via inhibition of Alpha-2 receptors.

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The only thing I dont understand is when they talk about "platelet alpha 2-adrenoceptors"

platelets have alpha 2-adrenoceptors?? wtf?
Short answer: Yes :)
Alpha-2 receptors are found almost everywhere! It's the quantity and distribution that's important to the action of Yohimbine. Stubborn fat exists as it has a higher ratio of Alpha-2 receptors : Beta receptors than other fat cells.



What would you suggest, for example about 13%bf, cutting for an additional 11weeks, would you incorporate a YOH protocol, or stick with a ECA stack instead and why? Goal is to hit the 7-8% range, on no gear...

a link of ECA: http://examine.com/supplements/ECA/

its your call man. yoh is popular to use once you hit the 7-8% range because it helps target the "stubborn fat" that is harder to burn the leaner you get. but yoh can still be a great addition from the start. its really your personal choice.

But I do not recommend trying to cut past 7-8% with out hormones IMO just because I have been lean as fuck as a natural but the price was loss of libido and loss of muscle.

I agree on the loss of libido and muscle loss as well. I may just do the eca at this point and see where I end up In a few weeks time. I know my stubborn areas if I reach 9% and still see the stubborn area I'll introduce yoh. 
Can anyone Reccomened a good ephedrine product or maybe were to buy? Ty

Did you read the protocol? :)
At 13%bf you don't really have 'stubborn fat'. The point of this is to preferentially target the last few lbs - generally you should be sub 10% for this to apply.
Use only what is necessary so that you have something extra to add in later.
IMO save the yoh for the last couple of weeks.

Yea I did read it, I was hoping for a miracle lol
So roon in your opinion would an eca be benefical or scrap that idea as well? 

I will implement this once I reach sub 10% to help out.. I have some fat areas that are always an issue for me. For example fat behind my nipple area, (Not gyno had it checked out) had it when I was heavily overweight. But its really frustrating as it seems thats the last place my body want to take fat from.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: skk on March 31, 2014, 07:50:48 PM
What I understand from this is that yoh's fat buring proporites are not from the stimulant effects but through a different pathway when blocking the alpha receptors (I actually already knew that)
Sort of. Yohimbine doesn't actually 'burn fat'. It's specific action is to facilitate the release of fatty acids into the bloodstream, preferentially from stubborn fat areas via inhibition of Alpha-2 receptors.

what happens is alpha 2 receptors ordinarily 'shut down' to protect themselves when trying to lose weight.  even if you are starving yourself for a while they are resilient and will not go, this is why such a thing as skinny fat people is possible

what yoh does is antagonise the receptors thus preventing them from shutting down and protecting themselves.  now if you fast, starve, calorie restrict, stubborn fat can actually be used
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on March 31, 2014, 08:19:36 PM
Injectable = Yoh + Clen  :)

How do you know it was the clen? I've tried all combos of this stack both injectable and orally at various stages of leanness.

Are you trying to sell yohimbine?

The shit is garbage, spikes blood pressure, has mediocre fat loss effects and los of side effects.

Clen and T3 are far superior.

I don't mean to spit on your thread but you seem to have an answer for everything, yes I understand how it's SUPPOSED to work but its really ineffective compared to other tools we have available to us.

Just my 2 cents, I'm going to leave it at that.
Well I do have an answer to some things :)
You had a bad experience with Yohimbine - fair enough. Not everyone gets on well with every compound however dismissing it entirely based on your own personal experience is ridiculous.

Yohimbine is not supposed to be a 'fat burner' on its own (IMO). It is best used to target the last few lbs of 'stubborn fat' in conjunction with traditional stims like clen.

T3 is not a fat burner or a stimulant, why are you comparing it to Clen and Yohimbine?

Honestly bro....thanks for the informative thread (I honestly thought this compound was commonly known, appears not so much so on gh15)....I just feel its a weak ass compound. You can argue all you want about bullshit but its still weak and that's why hardly anybody uses it.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 31, 2014, 08:25:53 PM
Honestly bro....thanks for the informative thread (I honestly thought this compound was commonly known, appears not so much so on gh15)....I just feel its a weak ass compound. You can argue all you want about bullshit but its still weak and that's why hardly anybody uses it.

meh try it with serious fasting and serious cardio
the entire body shape will change
when i was natural my stomach got TOO flat it was disproportionate to my chest and hips
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on March 31, 2014, 08:32:20 PM
Honestly bro....thanks for the informative thread (I honestly thought this compound was commonly known, appears not so much so on gh15)....I just feel its a weak ass compound. You can argue all you want about bullshit but its still weak and that's why hardly anybody uses it.

meh try it with serious fasting and serious cardio
the entire body shape will change
when i was natural my stomach got TOO flat it was disproportionate to my chest and hips

I did bro. Very lame compound in my opinion, just side effects and hardly any noticeable fat loss above baseline.

Im out before roon tells me I must have been taking bunk yohimbine or that I miscalculated my dose...
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on March 31, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
Honestly bro....thanks for the informative thread (I honestly thought this compound was commonly known, appears not so much so on gh15)....I just feel its a weak ass compound. You can argue all you want about bullshit but its still weak and that's why hardly anybody uses it.

meh try it with serious fasting and serious cardio
the entire body shape will change
when i was natural my stomach got TOO flat it was disproportionate to my chest and hips

I did bro. Very lame compound in my opinion, just side effects and hardly any noticeable fat loss above baseline.

Im out before roon tells me I must have been taking bunk yohimbine or that I miscalculated my dose...

heh
sounds amazing to me that you got so little effect out of it

i would say its compulsory for cardio.  i wont do cardio without it unless there is a very good reason  ie. need blood pressure down for the day, need a break from it, stacking too many things already, etc

its so good and it did wonders for my girl too.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: AuthenticElf on April 01, 2014, 10:36:05 PM
Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 01, 2014, 10:55:57 PM
Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.
Any proof of this?
It still needs to digest...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on April 02, 2014, 03:25:01 AM
Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.
Any proof of this?
It still needs to digest...

I can tell you that first time I took 10mg I started feeling sick in 20 minutes but completely sick in 45 minutes. Im sure its completely individual and could even very from day to day based on how the body is feeling and how hydrated you are etc..
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ocdude on April 02, 2014, 03:48:21 AM
From yesterday's 5am Leg workout... 8mg Yoh and 15mg Synephrine on empty stomach while running 700mg Tren Ace/week = Heart pounding like a death metal dance mix. Almost threw up after each set of squats LOL
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: skk on April 02, 2014, 09:00:49 AM
Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.
yep i recall seeing this too
i always start cardio right after taking it

Quote from: ocdude
Almost threw up after each set of squats LOL
yep yoh + squats/deadlift is a challenge...make sure you have sugar onhand, take it if the sides become too much.  it will nullify the yoh you will no longer feel like youre about to pass out.  heartrate will normalize quickly as well
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 02, 2014, 04:14:07 PM
Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.
Any proof of this?
It still needs to digest...
I can tell you that first time I took 10mg I started feeling sick in 20 minutes but completely sick in 45 minutes. Im sure its completely individual and could even very from day to day based on how the body is feeling and how hydrated you are etc..

Bingo :D

But since the point of the cardio is to utilise the free fatty acids released by the yohimbine later is better than earlier, hence my 30-45min reccommendation. You are certainly not 'wasting it' by waiting a little while.

Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.
yep i recall seeing this too
i always start cardio right after taking it
Quote from: ocdude
Almost threw up after each set of squats LOL
yep yoh + squats/deadlift is a challenge...make sure you have sugar onhand, take it if the sides become too much.  it will nullify the yoh you will no longer feel like youre about to pass out.  heartrate will normalize quickly as well
See above for my reasoning behind the timings.

The falsely elevated heart rate is why weights/high intensity work is not a good idea with Yohimbine!
Good call oon the sugar - ideally glucose. I just have a pack of those cheap glucose 'energy tabs' around in case. Just make sure they don't contain any other stimulants!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ocdude on April 02, 2014, 11:52:50 PM
Good call, time to get some glucose caps!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 03, 2014, 03:01:13 AM
Good call, time to get some glucose caps!
They're so cheap its worth having a pack just in case. These are the Branded ones I see everywhere but most pharmacies have even cheaper generic versions:

(http://www.sellesmedical.co.uk/product_images/0001/6666/DEXT47.jpg)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on April 03, 2014, 09:42:34 PM
My mate used the injectable on his girl's ass and it tightened her bum up nicely (can attest).
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: RustNeverSleeps on April 05, 2014, 04:10:13 AM
How about if you are any orals, I usually take my orals upon waking and then go workout not long after. Do you think there will be any interference?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 05, 2014, 04:25:05 PM
How about if you are any orals, I usually take my orals upon waking and then go workout not long after. Do you think there will be any interference?

There shouldn't be any interaction with the orals as they work via different pathways, however depending on your yohimbine dose and tolerance training might not be a good idea.
Since it can cause a falsely elevated heart rate, any activity that causes HR to rise significantly can result in even greater HR changes, causing nausea/lightheadedness. This is why I only suggested Low intensity activity for cardio.
If you can move your workout to later in the day then I would do that but if you have to train then start with a very low Yoh dose, take it easy at first and make sure you have some sugars nearby in case.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: RustNeverSleeps on April 06, 2014, 04:56:43 AM
How about if you are any orals, I usually take my orals upon waking and then go workout not long after. Do you think there will be any interference?

There shouldn't be any interaction with the orals as they work via different pathways, however depending on your yohimbine dose and tolerance training might not be a good idea.
Since it can cause a falsely elevated heart rate, any activity that causes HR to rise significantly can result in even greater HR changes, causing nausea/lightheadedness. This is why I only suggested Low intensity activity for cardio.
If you can move your workout to later in the day then I would do that but if you have to train then start with a very low Yoh dose, take it easy at first and make sure you have some sugars nearby in case.
Thanks for the reply. Yeah I reckoned doing fasted cardio then weight training would be stressful to your heart. I was thinking about only dosing Yohimbine with clen on cardio days, and on other days I'll just take the clen (i.e. weight days). And rest days take the yohimbine too. You think that could be beneficial or would it be far better to use it everyday?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Xidon9 on April 06, 2014, 10:56:02 AM
just a little update on what myself & roon discussed a little earlier in this thread

i switched my dose timing from what i previously mentioned (preworkout), and have been pinning helios 1st thing in the morning instead.

hasn't been long enough to determine whether it's making a difference as far as fat loss goes, but i can say that i prefer this dosing schedule because the elevated heart rate from yohimbine had been hindering my workouts a little bit & i didn't notice it until after the switch, as i was able to hit set after set with shorter rest periods in between. dosing 1st thing in the morning then doing a cardio session has been going well too.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on April 06, 2014, 04:55:09 PM
^Very interesting, thanks for the update.

The heart rate issue is IMO the most noticeable side effect of Yoh use. Do you still feel it when doing cardio at lower intensity?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 06, 2014, 05:03:51 PM
Thanks for the reply. Yeah I reckoned doing fasted cardio then weight training would be stressful to your heart. I was thinking about only dosing Yohimbine with clen on cardio days, and on other days I'll just take the clen (i.e. weight days). And rest days take the yohimbine too. You think that could be beneficial or would it be far better to use it everyday?
I wasn't suggesting cardio + weights, I assumed you would replace the cardio with the weight training. The problem with high intensity exercise + yohimbine is that the Yoh can cause a falsely elevated heart rate in response to exercise. Now at low intensities this is not really an issue, for example if incline walking normally raises HR to 120bpm then on Yoh you might get a reading of 130-135bpm.
The problem occurs a you approach the higher threshold ranges, for most reasonably athletic people max HR is in the 190-200bpm region so if you are training at anywhere around 75-80% of your max then the Yoh could raise HR into the max range.

The approach you have laid out sounds fine, so on rest/cardio days you take Y + C and on weights days Clen only. Obviously this will have less effect than taking the Yoh ED but is still a good method.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Xidon9 on April 06, 2014, 05:09:32 PM
^Very interesting, thanks for the update.

The heart rate issue is IMO the most noticeable side effect of Yoh use. Do you still feel it when doing cardio at lower intensity?

like i said, doing LISS cardio while using yohimbine has been going well, no issues whatsoever.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: RustNeverSleeps on April 07, 2014, 01:50:14 AM
Thanks for the reply. Yeah I reckoned doing fasted cardio then weight training would be stressful to your heart. I was thinking about only dosing Yohimbine with clen on cardio days, and on other days I'll just take the clen (i.e. weight days). And rest days take the yohimbine too. You think that could be beneficial or would it be far better to use it everyday?
I wasn't suggesting cardio + weights, I assumed you would replace the cardio with the weight training. The problem with high intensity exercise + yohimbine is that the Yoh can cause a falsely elevated heart rate in response to exercise. Now at low intensities this is not really an issue, for example if incline walking normally raises HR to 120bpm then on Yoh you might get a reading of 130-135bpm.
The problem occurs a you approach the higher threshold ranges, for most reasonably athletic people max HR is in the 190-200bpm region so if you are training at anywhere around 75-80% of your max then the Yoh could raise HR into the max range.

The approach you have laid out sounds fine, so on rest/cardio days you take Y + C and on weights days Clen only. Obviously this will have less effect than taking the Yoh ED but is still a good method.
I see what you say, misunderstanding from me. Appreciate the response brother!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: serotonin101 on April 07, 2014, 02:28:19 AM
Has the helios given you any "spot reduction" that some claim for anyone? I'm only used yohimbine in capsules and wanted to know how inject compares..
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Xidon9 on April 07, 2014, 03:08:01 AM
Has the helios given you any "spot reduction" that some claim for anyone? I'm only used yohimbine in capsules and wanted to know how inject compares..

if you read earlier in this thread, i did mention that i believe that the effects of helios are mostly systemic, minimal localized effect if any.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: serotonin101 on April 07, 2014, 07:17:15 AM
Has the helios given you any "spot reduction" that some claim for anyone? I'm only used yohimbine in capsules and wanted to know how inject compares..

if you read earlier in this thread, i did mention that i believe that the effects of helios are mostly systemic, minimal localized effect if any.
Sorry meant to address everyone to see a collective view point as on other boards (might be the problem is "other boards") some users report noticeable spot reduction with helios and some other kind of topical yohimbine product.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Kag94 on April 07, 2014, 10:09:18 AM
I always found yohimbe to be very effective. Thanks for posting this room most people would have never given this product a chance
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Xidon9 on April 07, 2014, 10:15:01 AM
Has the helios given you any "spot reduction" that some claim for anyone? I'm only used yohimbine in capsules and wanted to know how inject compares..

if you read earlier in this thread, i did mention that i believe that the effects of helios are mostly systemic, minimal localized effect if any.
Sorry meant to address everyone to see a collective view point as on other boards (might be the problem is "other boards") some users report noticeable spot reduction with helios and some other kind of topical yohimbine product.

no worries. trust me, this is not my first time using helios or yohimbine in various forms either, i've tried that transdermal stuff too.

it was a product called eviscerate that contained yohimbine & capsaicin (which made it burn like a mofo where you applied it), then you added liquid clen to the mix & applied the stuff to your desired spots. same story as helios imo..

some things you have to keep in mind regarding this issue:
 
people are always going to be applying the transdermal or injecting helios in the typical trouble spots like abs, love handles, maybe butt & thighs for women etc.

on top of it, they're dieting or at least watching what they eat to lose fast, so as they lose fat overall they will lose fat from these areas.

yohimbine certainly helps burn fat from these trouble areas as well, but can we definitively say that injecting helios or using a transdermal yohimbine solution made any significant difference over oral yohimbine use ?

imo, there's little to no difference as far as results go, and those who say otherwise are not aware of these points i mentioned so their opinions are influenced by placebo as they want to believe that doing what they did & going through the extra trouble was so much more effective when it really wasn't.

now, if you ask me why i chose to use helios over oral clen & yohimbine, i'll tell you that i like being able to use less of the compounds because the product's delivery method makes it noticeably more potent, plus it's easier to make smaller adjustments to doses.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: serotonin101 on April 07, 2014, 10:31:03 AM
^just the info I was looking for! Thanks. And eviscerate was the exact product I was thinking of got the transdermal yohimbine. I've heard great things about helios but just minding the dosage as from you just said, since it's injectable it's better delivery. Sorry if I'm derailing the thread.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 07, 2014, 02:51:07 PM
I see what you say, misunderstanding from me. Appreciate the response brother!
No worries man, let us know how you get on!

I always found yohimbe to be very effective. Thanks for posting this room most people would have never given this product a chance
Cheers bro, though Yohimbe =/= Yohimbine HCL :)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: PennyFarthing on April 07, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
Im running it at 10mg before fasted cardio and have lost an inch from my stomach within the last few weeks.

This stuff definitely works, also using 50mcg T3, 100mg var and cruising on 150mg test/week. feel great.

Although I have noticed that my cardio seems to be suffering more than usual which is strange considering i dropped out tren 3 weeks ago. Could it be the T3?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 07, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
Im running it at 10mg before fasted cardio and have lost an inch from my stomach within the last few weeks.

This stuff definitely works, also using 50mcg T3, 100mg var and cruising on 150mg test/week. feel great.

Although I have noticed that my cardio seems to be suffering more than usual which is strange considering i dropped out tren 3 weeks ago. Could it be the T3?
What do you mean 'suffering'?

Read the stuff about falsely elevated heart rate above. That might be it.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: Boarding on April 08, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
Has the helios given you any "spot reduction" that some claim for anyone? I'm only used yohimbine in capsules and wanted to know how inject compares..

Worked for me and everyone I know that has used them. Whether or not this was pure fat loss or a bit of localized water loss I'm not sure.

Roon? ;)
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: ranson89 on April 08, 2014, 05:28:40 PM
Has the helios given you any "spot reduction" that some claim for anyone? I'm only used yohimbine in capsules and wanted to know how inject compares..

Worked for me and everyone I know that has used them. Whether or not this was pure fat loss or a bit of localized water loss I'm not sure.

Roon? ;)

Hi! :)

Transdermal = water loss mostly as opposed to fat loss.
Injectable = better bioavailability and some anecdotal spot reduction at high doses
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on April 13, 2014, 05:50:41 AM
my yohimbine experience:
(I don?t have years of experience with this compound, but this is what I notice)

Fat burning: better than ephedrine, comparable to clen
Energy increase: none. If anything it makes me tired and shaky. Not great for pwo imo
Vascularity: increased (I vein out on this stuff), and also blood flow to the penis is real.
Fullness: most fat burners make me "flat", yoh on the other hand actually keeps me fuller (call me crazy)
Appetite: makes me sick, which makes food sound gross, but I still have that empty feeling in my stomach
Diuretic properties: similar to ephedrine.
Mood: some stimulant like effects, but not a wired feeling like caffeine.
Timing: start to feel it in 20 minutes, full effect in 40 minutes. Food/insulin may inhibit the fat burning, but it does not inhibit the side effects, I can take yoh on a full stomach and still get sick. Oh and effects take a full 12 hours before completely gone.
Body temperature: increased, because I am sweaty, but I feel cold like I want to wear a blanket and I get goose bumps.
Saliva: I literally have to swallow every 30 seconds. otherwise I get a mouth full of spit. weird

Just last thought, for god sake dont start out with to high of a dose it will ruin your day.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on April 13, 2014, 09:06:13 AM
Is the vascularity from the diuretic effect or is there another pathway?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on April 13, 2014, 09:25:04 AM
Is the vascularity from the diuretic effect or is there another pathway?

its a different pathway I believe.

im not 100% sure why either of these effects happen. I wish I could tell you.

maybe, diuretic effect just comes from sweating and dehydration similar to caffeine.

yoh stimulates release of nor epinephrine (similar to caffeine, ephedrine, and most other stimulants) and nor epinephrine promotes vasoconstriction, so it is odd that in increases vascularity. but its a fact that it does, thats why its used as an erectile dysfunction medication.

Idk if you have ever had a glass of red wine pwo before, buy yoh will make me vein out even more than that. Id still never take it pwo again. id have a better work out on red wine.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on April 13, 2014, 11:04:50 AM
Seems that HIIT should not be done immediately after consuming yohimbine.

I noticed if I take a preworkout that is high in stimulants, I achieve less of a pump and even feel weaker from being so stimulated.

I'm not sure if its that I am extremely stimulant sensitive or if it is caused by using the product not so consistently or both. Any help?


If one works out at night would yohimbine be better to take in the morning?
Is everyday use ok, or will it lose it effects , how long will it take to lose its effects?
1-2 months ?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on April 13, 2014, 11:36:45 AM
Seems that HIIT should not be done immediately after consuming yohimbine.

I noticed if I take a preworkout that is high in stimulants, I achieve less of a pump and even feel weaker from being so stimulated.

I'm not sure if its that I am extremely stimulant sensitive or if it is caused by using the product not so consistently or both. Any help?


If one works out at night would yohimbine be better to take in the morning?
Is everyday use ok, or will it lose it effects , how long will it take to lose its effects?
1-2 months ?

like you said I don't think its good prework out. trust me im sensitive to, i almost think im allergic haha (jk) great resluts but I always end up telling my self "im never doing this again" im just crazy...

for me, the only way to take it is on a rest day. and try to not eat all day until night. thats how you get shredded!

to answer your question of when it will loose effects, i believe the stimulant effects diminish rather quick and completely by 2 weeks, but the fat burning properties persist.

This study shows what happened after 14 days of taking yoh.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1963844

Abstract
The effects of 14 days of treatment with the alpha 2-adrenoceptor antagonist yohimbine on cardiovascular parameters (blood pressure and heart rate), plasma catecholamines, insulin and non-esterified fatty acids (NEFA), and the number of alpha 2-adrenoceptors on platelets have been evaluated. The treatment increased plasma noradrenaline but not adrenaline and did not change the other cardiovascular, metabolic or routine blood parameters. It caused a decrease in the velocity of adrenaline-induced platelet aggregation, although [3H]-yohimbine binding to platelets remained unchanged. Acute administration of yohimbine before the experiment led to a significant increase in plasma noradrenaline and NEFA levels. After the 15 day treatment, acute administration of the same dose of yohimbine had less effect on plasma NEFA and there was no significant change in plasma noradrenaline. The acute lipid-mobilizing effect of yohimbine in healthy volunteers persisted after the 14 days of treatment with no change in other parameters. The prolonged alpha 2-adrenoceptor blockade with yohimbine did not induce any change in platelet alpha 2-adrenoceptors.

So after 14 days yoh did not change plazma norepinephrine  (nor adrenaline)

But the lipid-mobilizing effect of yohimbine continued after the 14 days.

What I understand from this is that yoh's fat buring proporites are not from the stimulant effects but through a different pathway when blocking the alpha receptors (I actually already knew that)



Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 13, 2014, 05:25:01 PM
my yohimbine experience:
(I don?t have years of experience with this compound, but this is what I notice)

Fat burning: better than ephedrine, comparable to clen
Energy increase: none. If anything it makes me tired and shaky. Not great for pwo imo
Vascularity: increased (I vein out on this stuff), and also blood flow to the penis is real.
Fullness: most fat burners make me "flat", yoh on the other hand actually keeps me fuller (call me crazy)
Appetite: makes me sick, which makes food sound gross, but I still have that empty feeling in my stomach
Diuretic properties: similar to ephedrine.
Mood: some stimulant like effects, but not a wired feeling like caffeine.
Timing: start to feel it in 20 minutes, full effect in 40 minutes. Food/insulin may inhibit the fat burning, but it does not inhibit the side effects, I can take yoh on a full stomach and still get sick. Oh and effects take a full 12 hours before completely gone.
Body temperature: increased, because I am sweaty, but I feel cold like I want to wear a blanket and I get goose bumps.
Saliva: I literally have to swallow every 30 seconds. otherwise I get a mouth full of spit. weird

Just last thought, for god sake dont start out with to high of a dose it will ruin your day.

Good stuff man, thanks for the write up.


Is the vascularity from the diuretic effect or is there another pathway?
maybe, diuretic effect just comes from sweating and dehydration similar to caffeine.

yoh stimulates release of nor epinephrine (similar to caffeine, ephedrine, and most other stimulants) and nor epinephrine promotes vasoconstriction, so it is odd that in increases vascularity. but its a fact that it does, thats why its used as an erectile dysfunction medication.

Not such a good post...    :(
None of the above is correct at all.
Caffeine causes mild dehydration due to inhibition of sodium reabsorption and blocking adenosine receptors but tolerance develops quickly and the effect seems to top out at acute intakes of 250mg.


Yohimbine is NOT similar to caffeine, eph, etc. That's the whole point!!!!! It's an ANTAGONIST, it doesn't stimulate anything, what it does is inhibit the receptors for norepinephrine, thus increasing serum levels by blocking reuptake.
This is also partly responsible for the vascularity as it lowers the 'shivering threshold' causing the body to divert blood flow to the core, leading to vasodilation in the extremities.
Use for ED is dependent on the increased norepinephrine + nitric oxide increasing blood flow to the penis.



Seems that HIIT should not be done immediately after consuming yohimbine.
I'm not sure how many times I can repeat this...

For your other questions, read the OP!



This study shows what happened after 14 days of taking yoh.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1963844

So after 14 days yoh did not change plazma norepinephrine  (nor adrenaline)
But the lipid-mobilizing effect of yohimbine continued after the 14 days.

What I understand from this is that yoh's fat buring proporites are not from the stimulant effects but through a different pathway when blocking the alpha receptors (I actually already knew that)

What it means is that past the 14 day point the elevated plasma noradrenaline levels have reached the maximum threshold levels. They are still significantly above baseline but won't increase anymore, thus the stim effect diminishes as the acute response is no longer there, however since the A2 receptors are still inhibited the lipolytic action is still there.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on April 14, 2014, 06:21:35 AM
What it means is that past the 14 day point the elevated plasma noradrenaline levels have reached the maximum threshold levels. They are still significantly above baseline but won't increase anymore, thus the stim effect diminishes as the acute response is no longer there, however since the A2 receptors are still inhibited the lipolytic action is still there.

hmmm. thats not how I read it.

"After the 15 day treatment, acute administration of the same dose of yohimbine had less effect on plasma NEFA and there was no significant change in plasma noradrenaline."

it seems like this study says that after 15 days, an acute administration of yoh does not increase plazma nor epi. and that they are not "still significantly above baseline"

I don't mean to sound argumentative.
I am just being speculative.
you obviously know a great deal about this compound.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: DonS on April 14, 2014, 09:32:19 AM
Got some Yohimbe on the way and gonna be doing ECY stack. Will follow the exact procedure given except is it possible to just atleast take your protein shake or some egg whites pre-cardio? Also, how long can you run this stack for?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on April 14, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
Got some Yohimbe on the way and gonna be doing ECY stack. Will follow the exact procedure given except is it possible to just atleast take your protein shake or some egg whites pre-cardio? Also, how long can you run this stack for?

read the posts...lol

but to answer your question. the less insulin the better. I take 10grams of whey and 5g BCAA because I train fasted, if that does release insulin, its not enough to stop the fat loss properties. (in my experiences.)

the study shows that the fat loss properties of yohimbine continue past two weeks. there are also studies showing the fat burning effects of ephedrine continue and there is no need to cycle. ephedrine causes no down regulation to beta receptors probably due to a short half life.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: DonS on April 14, 2014, 12:40:52 PM
Got some Yohimbe on the way and gonna be doing ECY stack. Will follow the exact procedure given except is it possible to just atleast take your protein shake or some egg whites pre-cardio? Also, how long can you run this stack for?

read the posts...lol

but to answer your question. the less insulin the better. I take 10grams of whey and 5g BCAA because I train fasted, if that does release insulin, its not enough to stop the fat loss properties. (in my experiences.)

the study shows that the fat loss properties of yohimbine continue past two weeks. there are also studies showing the fat burning effects of ephedrine continue and there is no need to cycle. ephedrine causes no down regulation to beta receptors probably due to a short half life.

Yeah; thank you. Reason I wanted to know was I'll be most likely using it during my classes in the upcoming semester, wanted to have something light in the morning to be able to conc and stuff lol
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 14, 2014, 03:27:26 PM
What it means is that past the 14 day point the elevated plasma noradrenaline levels have reached the maximum threshold levels. They are still significantly above baseline but won't increase anymore, thus the stim effect diminishes as the acute response is no longer there, however since the A2 receptors are still inhibited the lipolytic action is still there.

hmmm. thats not how I read it.
Then you read it wrong :P

Noradrenaline pre treatment: 1.20 nmol/l (0.12)
Noradrenaline post treatment: 1.78 nmol/l (0.26)


Quote
"After the 15 day treatment, acute administration of the same dose of yohimbine had less effect on plasma NEFA and there was no significant change in plasma noradrenaline."

it seems like this study says that after 15 days, an acute administration of yoh does not increase plazma nor epi. and that they are not "still significantly above baseline"
Look at the values pre/post above, that looks significant to me. What the study says is that there is no longer an acute response to the 4mg Yoh the subjects received as they had reached the threshold level of receptor inhibition.

Quote
I don't mean to sound argumentative.
I am just being speculative.
you obviously know a great deal about this compound.
I don't think you're argumentative :) You've actually gone and done your own research, given feedback on your experiences (which is very useful BTW) and added to the discussion.
Any posts like that are great! :) Keep them coming man.


And here's how not to do it:
Got some Yohimbe on the way and gonna be doing ECY stack. Will follow the exact procedure given except is it possible to just atleast take your protein shake or some egg whites pre-cardio? Also, how long can you run this stack for?
Have you read any of the thread?
All these questions are answered. If you have a protein shake (why?) or egg whites the nyou aren't 'following the exact procedure' are you? ;D
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on April 14, 2014, 11:48:38 PM
Seems that HIIT should not be done immediately after consuming yohimbine.

I noticed if I take a preworkout that is high in stimulants, I achieve less of a pump and even feel weaker from being so stimulated.

I'm not sure if its that I am extremely stimulant sensitive or if it is caused by using the product not so consistently or both. Any help?


If one works out at night would yohimbine be better to take in the morning?
Is everyday use ok, or will it lose it effects , how long will it take to lose its effects?
1-2 months ?

like you said I don't think its good prework out. trust me im sensitive to, i almost think im allergic haha (jk) great resluts but I always end up telling my self "im never doing this again" im just crazy...

for me, the only way to take it is on a rest day. and try to not eat all day until night. thats how you get shredded!

to answer your question of when it will loose effects, i believe the stimulant effects diminish rather quick and completely by 2 weeks, but the fat burning properties persist.

This study shows what happened after 14 days of taking yoh.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1963844

Abstract
The effects of 14 days of treatment with the alpha 2-adrenoceptor antagonist yohimbine on cardiovascular parameters (blood pressure and heart rate), plasma catecholamines, insulin and non-esterified fatty acids (NEFA), and the number of alpha 2-adrenoceptors on platelets have been evaluated. The treatment increased plasma noradrenaline but not adrenaline and did not change the other cardiovascular, metabolic or routine blood parameters. It caused a decrease in the velocity of adrenaline-induced platelet aggregation, although [3H]-yohimbine binding to platelets remained unchanged. Acute administration of yohimbine before the experiment led to a significant increase in plasma noradrenaline and NEFA levels. After the 15 day treatment, acute administration of the same dose of yohimbine had less effect on plasma NEFA and there was no significant change in plasma noradrenaline. The acute lipid-mobilizing effect of yohimbine in healthy volunteers persisted after the 14 days of treatment with no change in other parameters. The prolonged alpha 2-adrenoceptor blockade with yohimbine did not induce any change in platelet alpha 2-adrenoceptors.

So after 14 days yoh did not change plazma norepinephrine  (nor adrenaline)

But the lipid-mobilizing effect of yohimbine continued after the 14 days.

What I understand from this is that yoh's fat buring proporites are not from the stimulant effects but through a different pathway when blocking the alpha receptors (I actually already knew that)


This explains a lot,
Thank you.


You mentioned to get shredded is to not eat during the day while taking this then eat at night.
Is there a reason for this?
Or is it because it kills your appetite until it leaves the system?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 15, 2014, 12:18:57 AM
This explains a lot,
Thank you.

You mentioned to get shredded is to not eat during the day while taking this then eat at night.
Is there a reason for this?
Or is it because it kills your appetite until it leaves the system?
Read my posts on the study, there are some flaws in the reasoning.

and READ THE ORIGINAL POST!!

Eating releases insulin
Insulin nullifies the effects of Yohimbine.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on April 15, 2014, 08:38:40 AM
You mentioned to get shredded is to not eat during the day while taking this then eat at night.
Is there a reason for this?
Or is it because it kills your appetite until it leaves the system?

Like roon said, nsulin nullifies the effects of Yohimbine.

personally, I really feel terrible on yoh, (probably won't be using again anytime soon) so to take in the morning and only fast for a few hours and then eat just isn't worth even taking yoh to me.

If im going to take it, I have to make it worth it.

it fit my personally cutting diet anyway, because on Saturdays I don't work out and typically try not to eat very much that day anyway, so its a good day for me to take yoh.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: gymrat123 on April 15, 2014, 09:01:10 AM
yohimbine is strong as hell.

It makes me feel like shit tbh.  I made the mistake of first getting yohimbe and I thought I was going to die lol?. no joke

I felt like I had been hit by a car.

I have yohimbine now but I pretty much avoid it.  It makes me not hungry at all, but only cause I feel like I am gonna get sick.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Wa2tx on April 19, 2014, 04:30:51 AM
Ok so I didn't read all 3 pages but about 1.5 pages and here are a couple things that I posted in my eca stack protocol. And a couple things-yohimbine combined with ephedrine is actually a great idea as you see below. I can 100% vouch for this shit working and the difference my body feels in just over a week.

"Well I just added yohimbine hcl to my eca stack about a week ago. All I can say is damn. It makes me feel like a furnace when I work out. I started taking it because ephedrine exerts it's effect indirectly by stimulating the release of norepinephrine (NE) the body's primary endogenous thermogenic hormone. Unlike clen which binds mainly to the beta 2 receptors, NE binds to all three receptors both alpha and beta. It's in regards to ephedrine binding to the alpha 2 receptor that yohimbine comes into play.

Activation of the alpha 2 receptor actually inhibits the release of NE; therefore, ephedrine after a while actually makes NE function as a negative feedback signal. Which this becomes even more pronounced during rest times (which is the majority of the time). I don't know if it's this mechanism that causes ephedrine to lose effectiveness after being on for a while or what but that would make sense. Yohimbine is a selective alpha 2 antagonist and this cuts this negative feedback loop, maximizing NE levels, and this maximizing fat loss.

I am taking powder form yohimbine hcl. This shit is super potent and where caution needs to come in. I got 3 grams of raw powder. The recommended dose for yohimbine hcl is .09mg/lb of body weight or .2mg/kg. What I did since these are super ass small doses (for me it's about 17mg) is turn it into a liquid solution. I took all 3 grams and put it into 200ml of vodka. This made each ml (get an oral syringe) 15mg/ml. So I take right at 1.1 ml first thing in the morning, all one singular dose, pre-workout. The first few days this felt like clen with super shaky hands, almost nauseous, and almost like I did too many stims. I could feel it quick. That has done away after the first few doses and I literally feel warmer throughout the day especially during and for a while after working out. Only other thing that has literally made me feel like my temperature increased (this is also partly because yohimbine increases blood flow a great deal) is lipo 6 black ultra concentrate-the original where you only took one pill a day.

Side note-insulin can actually reduce the effects of yohimbine so it is recommended only in two situations-1. You are on a low carb/keto diet to get the full benefit. Or 2. Take it on an empty stomach or close to empty stomach pre-workout (this is what I am doing).

The combo of eca that I am still on and the yohimbine hcl at 16.5mg a day is definitely noticeable that I am taking eca again. I can't wait for a few weeks of this, as once I started cruising, I cleaned my diet up to about 95% totally clean foods (organic chicken, beef, and eggs; fruits, veggies: etc).

Last side note-I don't know if I would want to take yohimbine with clen. I think that would be way to much effect on your alpha and beta 2 receptors and you would probably walk around like a crack head. T3/yohimbine/eca is what I will run next spring for my next cut and think it will shred you up nicely."
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on April 19, 2014, 11:52:23 AM
I took it 3 hours after a small meal then ate 4 hours later

I've also been doing HIIT
and I mean real HIIT

Out of breath very quickly
Taking 10 mgs
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 19, 2014, 04:39:31 PM
Ok so I didn't read all 3 pages
You probably should...      :P
Your science on the MOA of Eph and Yoh is a bit off BTW.

Thanks for posting your experience though - actual feedback is always valuable.



I've also been doing HIIT
and I mean real HIIT
Don't say I didn't warn you...
And what is 'real HIIT'? As opposed to fake HIIT?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Wa2tx on April 19, 2014, 10:03:36 PM
Ok so I didn't read all 3 pages
You probably should...      :P
Your science on the MOA of Eph and Yoh is a bit off BTW.

Thanks for posting your experience though - actual feedback is always valuable.
Quote

In what way? Have read similar stuff multiple times. Not saying I am right because I don't know-that's why I am asking?

Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on April 19, 2014, 10:12:34 PM
Don't say I didn't warn you...
And what is 'real HIIT'? As opposed to fake HIIT?

I used to tell people (for HIIT sprints) that if you don't feel like puking your not doing it right haha

Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 19, 2014, 11:05:23 PM
Ok so I didn't read all 3 pages
You probably should...      :P
Your science on the MOA of Eph and Yoh is a bit off BTW.

Thanks for posting your experience though - actual feedback is always valuable.

In what way? Have read similar stuff multiple times. Not saying I am right because I don't know-that's why I am asking?
Here you go:

"Well I just added yohimbine hcl to my eca stack about a week ago. All I can say is damn. It makes me feel like a furnace when I work out. I started taking it because ephedrine exerts it's effect indirectly by stimulating the release of norepinephrine (NE) the body's primary endogenous thermogenic hormone. Unlike clen which binds mainly to the beta 2 receptors, NE binds to all three receptors both alpha and beta. It's in regards to ephedrine binding to the alpha 2 receptor that yohimbine comes into play.
Where did you get the 'Primary endogenous thermogenic hormone' bit from? That's impossible to quantify as hormones don't work in isolation, and what about the thyroid hormones?
Ephedrine doesn't stimulate release of norepinephrine, it increases its activity by blocking alpha recpetor antagonists so the norephinephrine can bind to them. Ephedrine itself doesn't actually bind to any receptors so in effect it's an antagonist to an agonist :)

Quote
Activation of the alpha 2 receptor actually inhibits the release of NE; therefore, ephedrine after a while actually makes NE function as a negative feedback signal. Which this becomes even more pronounced during rest times (which is the majority of the time). I don't know if it's this mechanism that causes ephedrine to lose effectiveness after being on for a while or what but that would make sense. Yohimbine is a selective alpha 2 antagonist and this cuts this negative feedback loop, maximizing NE levels, and this maximizing fat loss.
OK, this is a bit mixed up.
The ONLY way the A2 receptor inhibits NE release is via negative feedback. So the effect is that
- Eph blocks endogenous binding to A2 receptors
- Yohimbine binds to the receptor, inhibiting action
- NE can't bind to receptors thus fat loss increases (A2 activation inhibits lipolysis)
- no A2 activation = no negative feedback downregulation

Eph doesn't lose its efficacy over time, you just become accustomed to the tangible effects so don't notice it as much/at all.

Quote
I am taking powder form yohimbine hcl. This shit is super potent and where caution needs to come in. I got 3 grams of raw powder. The recommended dose for yohimbine hcl is .09mg/lb of body weight or .2mg/kg. What I did since these are super ass small doses (for me it's about 17mg) is turn it into a liquid solution. I took all 3 grams and put it into 200ml of vodka. This made each ml (get an oral syringe) 15mg/ml. So I take right at 1.1 ml first thing in the morning, all one singular dose, pre-workout. The first few days this felt like clen with super shaky hands, almost nauseous, and almost like I did too many stims. I could feel it quick. That has done away after the first few doses and I literally feel warmer throughout the day especially during and for a while after working out. Only other thing that has literally made me feel like my temperature increased (this is also partly because yohimbine increases blood flow a great deal) is lipo 6 black ultra concentrate-the original where you only took one pill a day.
Well that's an interesting way of taking it :)
BTW read above about the falsely elevated heart rate.

Quote
Side note-insulin can actually reduce the effects of yohimbine so it is recommended only in two situations-1. You are on a low carb/keto diet to get the full benefit. Or 2. Take it on an empty stomach or close to empty stomach pre-workout (this is what I am doing).
Insulin NULLIFIES the effect of yoh so you need as little as possible. Low carb won't cut it as insulin is still released. It needs to be taken fasted for noticeable effects, ideally first thing in the AM as I put in the protocol.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on April 20, 2014, 01:33:34 AM
Besides breathing harder what is the worse that can happen using
Yohimbine and HIIT
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Wa2tx on April 20, 2014, 01:50:36 AM
Ok so I didn't read all 3 pages
You probably should...      :P
Your science on the MOA of Eph and Yoh is a bit off BTW.

Thanks for posting your experience though - actual feedback is always valuable.

In what way? Have read similar stuff multiple times. Not saying I am right because I don't know-that's why I am asking?
Here you go:

"Well I just added yohimbine hcl to my eca stack about a week ago. All I can say is damn. It makes me feel like a furnace when I work out. I started taking it because ephedrine exerts it's effect indirectly by stimulating the release of norepinephrine (NE) the body's primary endogenous thermogenic hormone. Unlike clen which binds mainly to the beta 2 receptors, NE binds to all three receptors both alpha and beta. It's in regards to ephedrine binding to the alpha 2 receptor that yohimbine comes into play.
Where did you get the 'Primary endogenous thermogenic hormone' bit from? That's impossible to quantify as hormones don't work in isolation, and what about the thyroid hormones?
Ephedrine doesn't stimulate release of norepinephrine, it increases its activity by blocking alpha recpetor antagonists so the norephinephrine can bind to them. Ephedrine itself doesn't actually bind to any receptors so in effect it's an antagonist to an agonist :)

Quote
Activation of the alpha 2 receptor actually inhibits the release of NE; therefore, ephedrine after a while actually makes NE function as a negative feedback signal. Which this becomes even more pronounced during rest times (which is the majority of the time). I don't know if it's this mechanism that causes ephedrine to lose effectiveness after being on for a while or what but that would make sense. Yohimbine is a selective alpha 2 antagonist and this cuts this negative feedback loop, maximizing NE levels, and this maximizing fat loss.
OK, this is a bit mixed up.
The ONLY way the A2 receptor inhibits NE release is via negative feedback. So the effect is that
- Eph blocks endogenous binding to A2 receptors
- Yohimbine binds to the receptor, inhibiting action
- NE can't bind to receptors thus fat loss increases (A2 activation inhibits lipolysis)
- no A2 activation = no negative feedback downregulation

Eph doesn't lose its efficacy over time, you just become accustomed to the tangible effects so don't notice it as much/at all.

Quote
I am taking powder form yohimbine hcl. This shit is super potent and where caution needs to come in. I got 3 grams of raw powder. The recommended dose for yohimbine hcl is .09mg/lb of body weight or .2mg/kg. What I did since these are super ass small doses (for me it's about 17mg) is turn it into a liquid solution. I took all 3 grams and put it into 200ml of vodka. This made each ml (get an oral syringe) 15mg/ml. So I take right at 1.1 ml first thing in the morning, all one singular dose, pre-workout. The first few days this felt like clen with super shaky hands, almost nauseous, and almost like I did too many stims. I could feel it quick. That has done away after the first few doses and I literally feel warmer throughout the day especially during and for a while after working out. Only other thing that has literally made me feel like my temperature increased (this is also partly because yohimbine increases blood flow a great deal) is lipo 6 black ultra concentrate-the original where you only took one pill a day.
Well that's an interesting way of taking it :)
BTW read above about the falsely elevated heart rate.

Quote
Side note-insulin can actually reduce the effects of yohimbine so it is recommended only in two situations-1. You are on a low carb/keto diet to get the full benefit. Or 2. Take it on an empty stomach or close to empty stomach pre-workout (this is what I am doing).
Insulin NULLIFIES the effect of yoh so you need as little as possible. Low carb won't cut it as insulin is still released. It needs to be taken fasted for noticeable effects, ideally first thing in the AM as I put in the protocol.

Well I stand corrected lol. Great write up and thanks for taking the time to write that.

So, has anyone ran clen and yohimbine together? I seriously would think you'd be super jittery like a crack head.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 20, 2014, 03:03:44 AM
Well I stand corrected lol. Great write up and thanks for taking the time to write that.

So, has anyone ran clen and yohimbine together? I seriously would think you'd be super jittery like a crack head.
No worries man :)

I've run them both together, and yes it's a strong combo!!
I tolerate stims very well and have used quite a lot of combos. This ranks as one of the strongest IMO, though as far as 'jitters' I didn't really get any. The other benefit is that due to the MOA of Yoh, Clen can be run for up to 5-6 weeks instead of the usual recommendation of 2 due to delayed receptor downregulation.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Wa2tx on April 20, 2014, 03:08:51 AM
Well I stand corrected lol. Great write up and thanks for taking the time to write that.

So, has anyone ran clen and yohimbine together? I seriously would think you'd be super jittery like a crack head.
No worries man :)

I've run them both together, and yes it's a strong combo!!
I tolerate stims very well and have used quite a lot of combos. This ranks as one of the strongest IMO, though as far as 'jitters' I didn't really get any. The other benefit is that due to the MOA of Yoh, Clen can be run for up to 5-6 weeks instead of the usual recommendation of 2 due to delayed receptor downregulation.

Very interesting. What doses of clen? And have you tried t3/clen/yohimbine before or do you know why that wouldnt be a good idea-if any reason? I have been cutting since the start of the year using eca so probably a good time to come off that and switch to another protocol for a bit longer.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 20, 2014, 03:17:19 AM
T3 was used all the way through at 50mcg, it isn't a 'fat burner' as such so there is no interaction between it and stims. Though I wouldn't ever suggest using more than a conservative dose anyway.
Clen was ramped up to 120mg for 2 weeks.
What have you been running with the ECA?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on April 25, 2014, 02:20:46 PM
Good post @roon12, I had mess around with Lyle McDonald stubborn body fat solution protocols last year, It helped but did burn me out (It was also before I started ASS so this of course contributed to me ending burnt out).. I admit I ran 3 days a week with his protocols (both first and second protocols) when he suggested two days at most, but the problem his the HIIT part following by low intensity cardio, I think this combination was what that burn me out. This summer if I use yohimbine I will definitely do something very similar to what suggested here.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Wa2tx on April 26, 2014, 12:35:18 AM
T3 was used all the way through at 50mcg, it isn't a 'fat burner' as such so there is no interaction between it and stims. Though I wouldn't ever suggest using more than a conservative dose anyway.
Clen was ramped up to 120mg for 2 weeks.
What have you been running with the ECA?

Good to know. I was on tren/mast/prop orals in and out with eca. I have been cruising since the start of the month. Actually just ordered some clen and t3 and I am going to drop the eca and do clen/yohimbine. I will save the t3 for next bulk blast. But I will probably start at 40mcg (maybe 20) and probably level out at 100mcg of clen and keep the 16.5mg of yohimbine. Excited to see how this protocol works vs eca/yohimbine and thanks for this write up.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: genetikk on April 29, 2014, 05:32:16 AM
Been taking 30mg (3x10) a day with 200C each for 2 weeks. No sides but heart rate increase.
Last 3 days 30mgs with 400C in the morning thought my veins gonna burst.

Just read now 0,2mgs/kg is max dose. Will go back to 15 from now on . .

Did anyone experience a difference in fat loss with/without cardio?
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: skk on April 29, 2014, 10:07:15 AM
Been taking 30mg (3x10) a day with 200C each for 2 weeks. No sides but heart rate increase.
Last 3 days 30mgs with 400C in the morning thought my veins gonna burst.

Just read now 0,2mgs/kg is max dose. Will go back to 15 from now on . .

Did anyone experience a difference in fat loss with/without cardio?

30mg (1x30) is good for me and i aint big..have to watch the caff though i keep it around 50

i prefer to keep yoh high caff low

cardio very much required
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: PizzaPig on April 29, 2014, 10:24:55 AM
Been getting awesome results with Yohimbine at 20mg with clen at 80 mcg on days I just fast. On days I do fasted cardio I up the yoh to 25mg. Really effective at getting that last bit of fat off!
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: genetikk on April 29, 2014, 08:51:40 PM
thanks for replies  :)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 30, 2014, 03:20:19 AM
Sorry for taking so long to reply.

If you're taking it on an empty stomach (i.e. the only way to take it unless your 'meal' consists of drinking olive oil - remember that protein, specifically leucine, also causes insulin release) then you're looking at a 20 min digestion time, as most *****/pills are recommended to have. If you're waiting 45 minutes you're burning through half of it's effective half-life, you are indeed simply wasting it by not taking advantage of the 20 minutes after digestion time. Again, there's absolutely no reason you can't start your cardio immediately after Globalge or at least ASAP.
Um nope.

1 - Consumption of fat still releases insulin and more specifically blunts yohimbine absorption.
2 - Peak SERUM levels are achieved after 30mins (SD ~10mins) however since it isn't exerting any effect until bound to A2 receptors then we don't want free serum yohimbine, we want bound (and thus not measured) yohimbine

So while there is no reason why you can't start cardio immediately after ingestion, there is a good reason to wait a bit :)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on April 30, 2014, 03:48:52 AM
Sorry for taking so long to reply.

If you're taking it on an empty stomach (i.e. the only way to take it unless your 'meal' consists of drinking olive oil - remember that protein, specifically leucine, also causes insulin release) then you're looking at a 20 min digestion time, as most *****/pills are recommended to have. If you're waiting 45 minutes you're burning through half of it's effective half-life, you are indeed simply wasting it by not taking advantage of the 20 minutes after digestion time. Again, there's absolutely no reason you can't start your cardio immediately after Globalge or at least ASAP.
Um nope.

1 - Consumption of fat still releases insulin and more specifically blunts yohimbine absorption.
2 - Peak SERUM levels are achieved after 30mins (SD ~10mins) however since it isn't exerting any effect until bound to A2 receptors then we don't want free serum yohimbine, we want bound (and thus not measured) yohimbine

So while there is no reason why you can't start cardio immediately after ingestion, there is a good reason to wait a bit :)

I agree, I remember 30-45 minutes is what Lyle McDonald also recommend and talk about in his book: The Stubborn Fat Solution.
Further more, any food consumption will cause your body to release insulin whether it's fat/protein only. It's only have been shown that some artificial sweeteners won't cause the body to release insulin but any food with macronutrients will.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: tony1989 on May 01, 2014, 07:40:38 AM
It works wonders with keto like diet, just tried it,4 weeks in, first time I ordered primaforce brand 2.5mg little pill ones,started at 2.5mg(very sensitive to this stuff) and currently running 10mgs... and finally my lower back is tight! and I thought this was skin for fucks sake. I am sincerely amazed by the result. will use this again.
Title: Re: Yohimbine
Post by: tony1989 on May 01, 2014, 07:43:05 AM
I liked the prima force yohimbine. Little 2.5mg beans right? They do what they're suppose to.
It definitely does the job but is hugely overpriced compared to pure Yohimbine HCL powder.

i gave a link on page 2 to amazon 5 gram powder pack.  $15
will last people 2 years
i guess people like to waste money or something

Im dont live in america so it is not that easy to get the yohimbine hcl to my place because its not allowed here

yeah I got the same problem,powder form doesn't get trough customs, my friend got his package seized. amazingly primaforce comes trough because on the box it says natural supplement for personal use lol.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: mayhem99 on May 01, 2014, 08:52:06 PM
So I promised roon this a while ago but wanted it to be accurate as he tends to be a stickler for that which I respect.


How I used yohimbine hcl and how it worked for me.  I used this protocol pretty much to the tee how ever I am just going to put how I layed it out timing and cycling and such for two reasons one to get a little of roons knowledge on the subject a critique also to give people a idea of issues that can come up and how to fix them so here it goes.


I would start yohimbine and caffeine start @ 2.5mg and increase every other day till I got to the dose I wanted since I plan to run it with 100mcg of clen that should have been 12.5mg it wasn't I had to keep it around 7.5mg with a max of 10mg  this worked the best for me since yohimbine messes with me a little.  I will explain seems that yohimbine makes me super irritable at high dose and combo with clen and tren I will kill people not good but using this protocol I fixed most of the issues.  SO once I got my dose to where I wanted I would hold that for about 7 days and let me get used to it then introduce the clen start @ 20mcg increase the dose 10mcg every day to 100mcg.  I was able to run the clen for about  4 weeks and it was fine.  I didn't use any ephedrine at all between clen runs reason tried bad reaction with the yohimbine in my system not sure but it was like I hated every thing and just wanted to be in a quiet room alone irritable is not the word.  So between clen cycles I would just run caffeine and yohimbine at the same dose for a week.  Then reintroduce the clen.  This worked for me if I tried to put every thing in at once it just all when bad I need to let my body adjust to each one on its own after that I was gold and I got some nice results out of it.  So roon let me know what you think and I hope this helps some one.


Edit: I will add this part I would take EVERYTHING in the morning do my 10 to 15min of cardio and be fasted from 5am till noon then eat.  This next cycle I am thinking of adding t3 to see if that changes any thing will report if I do. 
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 05, 2014, 06:14:33 PM
So I promised roon this a while ago but wanted it to be accurate as he tends to be a stickler for that which I respect.
:P Not sure if compliment or not...   ;D

Seriously though thanks for this, feedback is very much appreciated. And also helps flag up any issues that I might have overlooked or that didn't affect me or others who have already used this.


Quote
How I used yohimbine hcl and how it worked for me.  I used this protocol pretty much to the tee how ever I am just going to put how I layed it out timing and cycling and such for two reasons one to get a little of roons knowledge on the subject a critique also to give people a idea of issues that can come up and how to fix them so here it goes.


I would start yohimbine and caffeine start @ 2.5mg and increase every other day till I got to the dose I wanted since I plan to run it with 100mcg of clen that should have been 12.5mg it wasn't I had to keep it around 7.5mg with a max of 10mg  this worked the best for me since yohimbine messes with me a little.  I will explain seems that yohimbine makes me super irritable at high dose and combo with clen and tren I will kill people not good but using this protocol I fixed most of the issues.  SO once I got my dose to where I wanted I would hold that for about 7 days and let me get used to it then introduce the clen start @ 20mcg increase the dose 10mcg every day to 100mcg.  I was able to run the clen for about  4 weeks and it was fine.  I didn't use any ephedrine at all between clen runs reason tried bad reaction with the yohimbine in my system not sure but it was like I hated every thing and just wanted to be in a quiet room alone irritable is not the word.  So between clen cycles I would just run caffeine and yohimbine at the same dose for a week.  Then reintroduce the clen.  This worked for me if I tried to put every thing in at once it just all when bad I need to let my body adjust to each one on its own after that I was gold and I got some nice results out of it.  So roon let me know what you think and I hope this helps some one.
OK, I'm not sure exactly how you ran the various compounds so correct me if I'm wrong

Started Yoh only ramped up to 7.5mg by 2.5mg EOD (with or without caffeine?)
Then added clen (dropped caffeine?) at 20mg and increased by 10mg ED
Held this dose for 4 weeks?

Quote
Edit: I will add this part I would take EVERYTHING in the morning do my 10 to 15min of cardio and be fasted from 5am till noon then eat.  This next cycle I am thinking of adding t3 to see if that changes any thing will report if I do.
I may have also written lots in the T3 thread...  ;D And have used both Yoh and T3 together
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: mayhem99 on May 05, 2014, 08:05:34 PM
So I promised roon this a while ago but wanted it to be accurate as he tends to be a stickler for that which I respect.
:P Not sure if compliment or not...   ;D

Seriously though thanks for this, feedback is very much appreciated. And also helps flag up any issues that I might have overlooked or that didn't affect me or others who have already used this.


Quote
How I used yohimbine hcl and how it worked for me.  I used this protocol pretty much to the tee how ever I am just going to put how I layed it out timing and cycling and such for two reasons one to get a little of roons knowledge on the subject a critique also to give people a idea of issues that can come up and how to fix them so here it goes.


I would start yohimbine and caffeine start @ 2.5mg and increase every other day till I got to the dose I wanted since I plan to run it with 100mcg of clen that should have been 12.5mg it wasn't I had to keep it around 7.5mg with a max of 10mg  this worked the best for me since yohimbine messes with me a little.  I will explain seems that yohimbine makes me super irritable at high dose and combo with clen and tren I will kill people not good but using this protocol I fixed most of the issues.  SO once I got my dose to where I wanted I would hold that for about 7 days and let me get used to it then introduce the clen start @ 20mcg increase the dose 10mcg every day to 100mcg.  I was able to run the clen for about  4 weeks and it was fine.  I didn't use any ephedrine at all between clen runs reason tried bad reaction with the yohimbine in my system not sure but it was like I hated every thing and just wanted to be in a quiet room alone irritable is not the word.  So between clen cycles I would just run caffeine and yohimbine at the same dose for a week.  Then reintroduce the clen.  This worked for me if I tried to put every thing in at once it just all when bad I need to let my body adjust to each one on its own after that I was gold and I got some nice results out of it.  So roon let me know what you think and I hope this helps some one.
OK, I'm not sure exactly how you ran the various compounds so correct me if I'm wrong

Started Yoh only ramped up to 7.5mg by 2.5mg EOD (with or without caffeine?)
Then added clen (dropped caffeine?) at 20mg and increased by 10mg ED
Held this dose for 4 weeks?

Quote
Edit: I will add this part I would take EVERYTHING in the morning do my 10 to 15min of cardio and be fasted from 5am till noon then eat.  This next cycle I am thinking of adding t3 to see if that changes any thing will report if I do.
I may have also written lots in the T3 thread...  ;D And have used both Yoh and T3 together




I suck at this quoting thing.  Cant seen to do it like you do roon


Ok so roon yes my friend that was 100% a compliment you are a very informative person and I thank you for all you help.


I promised you a review and I alway keep my word ALWAYS its a rule on mine.


You got it basically right here is what I will change.
I will now go read the T3 thread as I have a bad taste for my first t3 run.  I used research chem t3 (dumb) and got messed up from it a little.  What I thought was 50mcg I found out after talking to bustin that it was more like 75-100mcg and it was sucking the life out of me so I dropped it.  Now i have pharma but I want to be better informed before I go again. 




Edit:  I forgot I also found the b complex help with the irritation and 100mg GABA seem to be helpful in shaving off a little bit of it.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Mister14 on May 09, 2014, 01:48:20 PM
Lyle McDonald's protocol (very similar to this) is/was where it's at. i remember reading the .2mg/kg and was like "whoa, 18 mg ?? that's like 6 pills?

Did it fasted ( I believe insulin and any way blunts the effects almost completely from what I remember reading... It's been a while :)) and POW. felt fuzzy and weird... but my gosh it got the fat off. That was my only addition at that time.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Mister14 on May 09, 2014, 01:50:24 PM
Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.

this also. Exactly this. I found that was busted (the 45 minute waiting period) as well. Take your caps. Slug some water. Get at it.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 09, 2014, 03:15:23 PM
Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.
this also. Exactly this. I found that was busted (the 45 minute waiting period) as well. Take your caps. Slug some water. Get at it.
Read above for why you're wrong...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on May 09, 2014, 07:13:19 PM
Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.
this also. Exactly this. I found that was busted (the 45 minute waiting period) as well. Take your caps. Slug some water. Get at it.
Read above for why you're wrong...

I agree with roon, you guys are wrong here.. Science back it up and I also talk from personal experience with yohimbine
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 09, 2014, 07:25:38 PM
Just to clarify, waiting 45 minutes for the yohimbine to hit isn't necessary and you may be in fact wasting a lot of it due to the rapid uptake. I've done quite a bit of research on it, it's just as easy to start your cardio immediately so as to get the full benefits.
this also. Exactly this. I found that was busted (the 45 minute waiting period) as well. Take your caps. Slug some water. Get at it.
Read above for why you're wrong...
I agree with roon, you guys are wrong here.. Science back it up and I also talk from personal experience with yohimbine
Thanks man. I've even posted the reasoning on the last page for those who need it.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 10, 2014, 03:05:21 AM
http://www.drugs.com/mmx/yohimbine-hydrochloride.html
In particular -
"Elimination half-life is approximately 36 minutes"
I don't want to make a big thing about this, but open your eyes to the science behind it. Waiting an hour after the 20-min digestion is going to be detrimental. Can I back this up with anything other than internet sources and anecdotal evidence? No, but I'll continue to use it this way which has been effective for me as both a natural and an enhanced athlete.
You can use it however you wish.

I have already explained the error in your reasoning. The Elimination half life is from plasma, it exerts beneficial effects when bound to receptors AFTER removal from plasma. Hence the benefit to waiting circa 45 minutes FROM INGESTION, not after digestion.
If you are going to post facts, please ensure you understand them.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Mister14 on May 10, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
I saw your post man, Just going off anecdotal here. I tried both (waiting the 40 ish) or 5-10 (drive to gym) after ingestion. Found nothing different in terms of results or "feeling"

I will go with science here. Would be better to take it and wait. I had to get going about my day So I did it sooner :D
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 10, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
I saw your post man, Just going off anecdotal here. I tried both (waiting the 40 ish) or 5-10 (drive to gym) after ingestion. Found nothing different in terms of results or "feeling"
I will go with science here. Would be better to take it and wait. I had to get going about my day So I did it sooner :D
Doing what feels best/works for you is always the best route. My issue is when 'science' or data is misinterpreted or misrepresented to justify ones position despite a clear misunderstanding of the processes involved.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: genetikk on May 11, 2014, 03:35:32 AM
so, until now i started with 30mg on 3daily doses, then did 30mg at once in morning with cardio for 2weeks, now upped to 40mg - efficiency went trough the roof, sweating like never before , heart rate ~160 on slow stepmill. while i know ppl who cant do 10mg without being sick. looks like it effects everyone different..
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Mister14 on May 11, 2014, 06:32:39 AM
I saw your post man, Just going off anecdotal here. I tried both (waiting the 40 ish) or 5-10 (drive to gym) after ingestion. Found nothing different in terms of results or "feeling"
I will go with science here. Would be better to take it and wait. I had to get going about my day So I did it sooner :D
Doing what feels best/works for you is always the best route. My issue is when 'science' or data is misinterpreted or misrepresented to justify ones position despite a clear misunderstanding of the processes involved.

oh mine as well definitely. Sorry if my words came across as anything other than that.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on May 11, 2014, 02:44:35 PM
so, until now i started with 30mg on 3daily doses, then did 30mg at once in morning with cardio for 2weeks, now upped to 40mg - efficiency went trough the roof, sweating like never before , heart rate ~160 on slow stepmill. while i know ppl who cant do 10mg without being sick. looks like it effects everyone different..

Wow that's insane dose even for a big man, be sure not to do intervals or strength workout after, you don't won't your heart to explode lol. And yes take the full dose at once, you want to do it after a fast when insuline levels are low- when you woke up is a good option.
Just follow roon recommendations.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 11, 2014, 05:18:34 PM
I saw your post man, Just going off anecdotal here. I tried both (waiting the 40 ish) or 5-10 (drive to gym) after ingestion. Found nothing different in terms of results or "feeling"
I will go with science here. Would be better to take it and wait. I had to get going about my day So I did it sooner :D
Doing what feels best/works for you is always the best route. My issue is when 'science' or data is misinterpreted or misrepresented to justify ones position despite a clear misunderstanding of the processes involved.
oh mine as well definitely. Sorry if my words came across as anything other than that.
Haha, that part wasn't aimed at you! My fault, sorry.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 11, 2014, 05:23:46 PM
so, until now i started with 30mg on 3daily doses, then did 30mg at once in morning with cardio for 2weeks, now upped to 40mg - efficiency went trough the roof, sweating like never before , heart rate ~160 on slow stepmill. while i know ppl who cant do 10mg without being sick. looks like it effects everyone different..
You're taking 40mg of pure Yohimbine HCL in a single dose in the fasted state?   :o  Rather you than me!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 12, 2014, 09:37:50 AM
so, until now i started with 30mg on 3daily doses, then did 30mg at once in morning with cardio for 2weeks, now upped to 40mg - efficiency went trough the roof, sweating like never before , heart rate ~160 on slow stepmill. while i know ppl who cant do 10mg without being sick. looks like it effects everyone different..
You're taking 40mg of pure Yohimbine HCL in a single dose in the fasted state?   :o  Rather you than me!

oh god that would probably send me to the hospital. I can't do 5mg with out feeling sick.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: genetikk on May 12, 2014, 03:59:32 PM
haha,
today morning, did 200mgs Caffein and 20mgs Y, and measured heart rate
on ergometer, RPM/effort stayed the same all time

upon waking 200mg Caffein
00:00 on my way to gym 20mg Y
05:00 in gym
08:00 starting cardio so 8min after taking Y.
13:00 130 Heart Rate/5min Cardio
16:00 130 /8min cardio
18:00 130 /10min cardio
22:00 150 /14min cardio
24:30 160 /16,5min cardio
stayed 155-160 till end (30min)

Tomorrow will take it 10min earlier and see what happens.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on May 12, 2014, 09:13:23 PM
^^ Take it 30 minutes before cardio not 10. If you want to get the full effect from yohimbine begin your cardio after 30-45 minutes.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on May 13, 2014, 12:49:01 AM
Has anyone had any expierience with Primaforce Yohimbine?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 13, 2014, 02:12:26 AM
Has anyone had any expierience with Primaforce Yohimbine?
Those with more money than sense...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on May 13, 2014, 03:17:58 AM
Your calling me dumb?

Confused
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 13, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
Your You're calling me dumb?

Confused

;D

Primoforce is an expensive branded product, you pay for the name, not the quality.
Use bulk Yohimbine HCL powder.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on May 13, 2014, 10:14:12 PM
Your You're calling me dumb?

Confused

;D

Primoforce is an expensive branded product, you pay for the name, not the quality.
Use bulk Yohimbine HCL powder.

Where do you get that from.

Link to a source?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 13, 2014, 10:21:50 PM
Your You're calling me dumb?

Confused

;D

Primoforce is an expensive branded product, you pay for the name, not the quality.
Use bulk Yohimbine HCL powder.
Where do you get that from.
Link to a source?
Here you go:

https://www.google.com/
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on May 14, 2014, 01:08:42 AM
Your You're calling me dumb?

Confused

;D

Primoforce is an expensive branded product, you pay for the name, not the quality.
Use bulk Yohimbine HCL powder.
Where do you get that from.
Link to a source?
Here you go:

https://www.google.com/

LOL, Here (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Yohimbine+HCL+powder) buddy.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on May 14, 2014, 10:11:48 AM
I read that yohimbine should be used 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off
Is this true?

I know the fat burning effects continue after 14 days but for how long
?


As far as Considering its use for its fat burning abilities.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 14, 2014, 03:12:43 PM
I read that yohimbine should be used 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off
Is this true?
I know the fat burning effects continue after 14 days but for how long
As far as Considering its use for its fat burning abilities.
Dude seriously. Read the fucking thread...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 15, 2014, 09:10:08 AM
on a day where I fast most of the day,

what are your guy's thoughts on frequent very small doses for avoiding sickness. still effective?

also, I don't think im allergic, just really sensitive. Do you think this is because of unstable serotonin levels?

I read that 5-HTP helps stabilize serotonin levels, and so does a keto diet.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: New user on May 15, 2014, 10:27:44 AM
I read that yohimbine should be used 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off
Is this true?
I know the fat burning effects continue after 14 days but for how long
As far as Considering its use for its fat burning abilities.
Dude seriously. Read the fucking thread...


From what I read that ain't in the thread

The 14 day abstract was but never said what was the longest time to run it
Unless proven otherwise you should try to read the thread again and find it :)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 15, 2014, 11:54:01 AM
I read that yohimbine should be used 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off
Is this true?
I know the fat burning effects continue after 14 days but for how long
As far as Considering its use for its fat burning abilities.
Dude seriously. Read the fucking thread...


From what I read that ain't in the thread

The 14 day abstract was but never said what was the longest time to run it
Unless proven otherwise you should try to read the thread again and find it :)

roon anwered this, you can keep running yoh no need to cycle. it will keep binding to the alpha 2 receptor which is all that needs to happen for it to work
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on May 15, 2014, 02:30:18 PM
on a day where I fast most of the day,

what are your guy's thoughts on frequent very small doses for avoiding sickness. still effective?

also, I don't think im allergic, just really sensitive. Do you think this is because of unstable serotonin levels?

I read that 5-HTP helps stabilize serotonin levels, and so does a keto diet.

It will be more effective to take the dose at once and wait 30-45 minutes then do cardio. Just build the dose slowly, even for ppl which are sensitive that's should be the way to go. Increase it each day until you get to 0.2mg per kilogram.



I read that yohimbine should be used 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off
Is this true?
I know the fat burning effects continue after 14 days but for how long
As far as Considering its use for its fat burning abilities.
Dude seriously. Read the fucking thread...


From what I read that ain't in the thread

The 14 day abstract was but never said what was the longest time to run it
Unless proven otherwise you should try to read the thread again and find it :)


No need to cycle yohimbine, you can use it continuous. Just remember it will work best to get rid of the last stubborn body fat so don't use it when you are 12+ BF% (I'll say only when you hit the 8% BF you will benefit from it the most).
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 15, 2014, 03:01:37 PM
I read that yohimbine should be used 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off
Is this true?
I know the fat burning effects continue after 14 days but for how long
As far as Considering its use for its fat burning abilities.
Dude seriously. Read the fucking thread...


From what I read that ain't in the thread

The 14 day abstract was but never said what was the longest time to run it
Unless proven otherwise you should try to read the thread again and find it :)
I wrote the reply...

Reply #64
You were the next poster for fuck sake.
The abstract is bullshit. Get off your ass and do some research.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 15, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
on a day where I fast most of the day,

what are your guy's thoughts on frequent very small doses for avoiding sickness. still effective?
Will there be some effect - yes
Will it be anywhere near as effective as a single bolus dose - no.

If you dose in small amounts then the build up of receptor antagonists won't be there, so the inhibition of noradrenaline reuptake won't be as great.

Quote
also, I don't think im allergic, just really sensitive. Do you think this is because of unstable serotonin levels?
Why would you think that?

Quote
I read that 5-HTP helps stabilize serotonin levels, and so does a keto diet.
You don't want stable serotonin levels...
Serotonin is supposed to fluctuate, you need to avoid excessive amounts/deficiencies.

Given your sensitivity I would postulate that it is caused by either very few receptors or excessive noradrenaline.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 15, 2014, 03:17:59 PM
on a day where I fast most of the day,

what are your guy's thoughts on frequent very small doses for avoiding sickness. still effective?
Will there be some effect - yes
Will it be anywhere near as effective as a single bolus dose - no.

If you dose in small amounts then the build up of receptor antagonists won't be there, so the inhibition of noradrenaline reuptake won't be as great.

Quote
also, I don't think im allergic, just really sensitive. Do you think this is because of unstable serotonin levels?
Why would you think that?

Quote


I read that 5-HTP helps stabilize serotonin levels, and so does a keto diet.
You don't want stable serotonin levels...
Serotonin is supposed to fluctuate, you need to avoid excessive amounts/deficiencies.

Given your sensitivity I would postulate that it is caused by either very few receptors or excessive noradrenaline.

i was hoping you would respond. that anwer was more helpful than i expected. maybe I just need to lower dose of stimulants for less nor epinephrine. I really love yoh for the fat loss, so I don't want to give up on it yet.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 15, 2014, 03:51:35 PM
on a day where I fast most of the day,

what are your guy's thoughts on frequent very small doses for avoiding sickness. still effective?
Will there be some effect - yes
Will it be anywhere near as effective as a single bolus dose - no.

If you dose in small amounts then the build up of receptor antagonists won't be there, so the inhibition of noradrenaline reuptake won't be as great.

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also, I don't think im allergic, just really sensitive. Do you think this is because of unstable serotonin levels?
Why would you think that?

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I read that 5-HTP helps stabilize serotonin levels, and so does a keto diet.
You don't want stable serotonin levels...
Serotonin is supposed to fluctuate, you need to avoid excessive amounts/deficiencies.

Given your sensitivity I would postulate that it is caused by either very few receptors or excessive noradrenaline.

i was hoping you would respond. that anwer was more helpful than i expected. maybe I just need to lower dose of stimulants for less nor epinephrine. I really love yoh for the fat loss, so I don't want to give up on it yet.
Keep me updated on how it works out man!

Possible solutions:
Magnesium Sulphate
Stop Zinc supps (if taking any)
Add Phenylalanine + Tyrosine
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 15, 2014, 07:23:34 PM
Hmm, why no zinc? Is that info in this thread?

I will look into Phenylalanine

I do take zinc and magnisum but not daily. And I take tyrosine daily.

Thanks!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 15, 2014, 10:20:32 PM
Hmm, why no zinc? Is that info in this thread?
Free zinc increases glutamate mediated neurotransmitters.

This is a great example of why supplementation without specificity can be a bad thing :)
If you have too much zinc then you're likely over-producing noradrenaline in the brain, leading to the side effects.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 16, 2014, 07:33:53 AM
Hmm, why no zinc? Is that info in this thread?
Free zinc increases glutamate mediated neurotransmitters.

This is a great example of why supplementation without specificity can be a bad thing :)
If you have too much zinc then you're likely over-producing noradrenaline in the brain, leading to the side effects.

Great info. although yoh made me sick before I started talking zinc
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Zeedev on May 20, 2014, 12:13:00 PM
I've been reading yohimbine causes water retention? is this negated by taking it with caffeine or ephedrine?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 20, 2014, 03:36:16 PM
I've been reading yohimbine causes water retention? is this negated by taking it with caffeine or ephedrine?
It CAN cause water retention, which CAN in some cases be negated by Eph/Caff...

There are too many variables/individual variances to give a concrete answer.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 20, 2014, 04:09:34 PM
I've been reading yohimbine causes water retention? is this negated by taking it with caffeine or ephedrine?

no water retention for me with or with out other stimulants. veins from hell though!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: mr.frederick87 on May 21, 2014, 09:04:09 AM
On the subject of when to take it, there were a studies showing that peak plasma levels were reached 45-55 minutes after oral ingestion ((Owen et al, 1987; Guthrie et al., 1990))

So really, if you were to start your cardio at 20-30 minutes in, you'd go right through the peak period, and it would still be in your system when you finished. It's rapidly eliminated, but this is off-set slightly by the absoprtion half-life (rate of ingestion vs rate of expulsion).

If you are worried about not having enough in your system, then take another 5mg or so at the 45mg mark. This will insure that more yohimbine is being introduced into the blood as it is being eliminated, meaning you'll have steadier blood levels and won't have to worry about not taking enough.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 21, 2014, 02:43:49 PM
On the subject of when to take it, there were a studies showing that peak plasma levels were reached 45-55 minutes after oral ingestion ((Owen et al, 1987; Guthrie et al., 1990))

So really, if you were to start your cardio at 20-30 minutes in, you'd go right through the peak period, and it would still be in your system when you finished. It's rapidly eliminated, but this is off-set slightly by the absoprtion half-life (rate of ingestion vs rate of expulsion).

If you are worried about not having enough in your system, then take another 5mg or so at the 45mg mark. This will insure that more yohimbine is being introduced into the blood as it is being eliminated, meaning you'll have steadier blood levels and won't have to worry about not taking enough.
Please read the thread before posting yet more incorrectly interpreted information.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Xidon9 on May 21, 2014, 03:06:48 PM
regarding yohimbine hcl dosage, in the 1st post roon12 mentioned not exceeding 0.2mg/kg & 1mg yohimbine hcl to every 8mcg of clen.

was this based on some recommendation derived from literature or from first hand experimentation ?

i ask because tbh, literature is 2nd to first hand experience, so if this is just a safety guideline, then those who tolerate both yohimbine & clen well should be able to push it further. if first hand experimentation shows that with higher doses sides get significantly worse or that it offers no additional results, then it's not worth it.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 21, 2014, 03:17:22 PM
regarding yohimbine hcl dosage, in the 1st post roon12 mentioned not exceeding 0.2mg/kg & 1mg yohimbine hcl to every 8mcg of clen.

was this based on some recommendation derived from literature or from first hand experimentation ?

i ask because tbh, literature is 2nd to first hand experience, so if this is just a safety guideline, then those who tolerate both yohimbine & clen well should be able to push it further. if first hand experimentation shows that with higher doses sides get significantly worse or that it offers no additional results, then it's not worth it.

It's based on both.
The 0.2mg/kg BW Yohimbine is based on toxicity levels as well as when the sides exceed the benefit for most people. There is also the rate of diminishing returns, in that due to its MOA, once all receptors are bound to Yoh then increasing the dose will have no effect.
The dose recommendations I have given takes all the above into account.

The Clen dose is based more on experimentation and considers rate of return and sides. Given that I have a very high stim tolerance I doubt that many will experience significant/if any benefit from pushing doses much higher.

Obviously there will be some outliers who can do so but from a conscientious perspective I don't want to give a blanket recommendation any higher, particularly as the majority of people won't get any benefit at all.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: KJSpencer on May 21, 2014, 07:46:05 PM
Some great information on this thread, so much so that Im considering getting some yoh myself to try out!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: genetikk on May 22, 2014, 05:59:58 AM
On the subject of when to take it, there were a studies showing that peak plasma levels were reached 45-55 minutes after oral ingestion ((Owen et al, 1987; Guthrie et al., 1990))

So really, if you were to start your cardio at 20-30 minutes in, you'd go right through the peak period, and it would still be in your system when you finished. It's rapidly eliminated, but this is off-set slightly by the absoprtion half-life (rate of ingestion vs rate of expulsion).

If you are worried about not having enough in your system, then take another 5mg or so at the 45mg mark. This will insure that more yohimbine is being introduced into the blood as it is being eliminated, meaning you'll have steadier blood levels and won't have to worry about not taking enough.
:)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 22, 2014, 08:35:56 AM
today was the first day I took yoh and didnt get sick!!! 4mg!! haha
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: zogger on May 22, 2014, 09:27:25 AM
How to do you dose/weight it(the powder)? Also do you mix it with water or just spoon in the mouth?)

also is this it?
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/pure-yohimbine-hcl-powder-98-hot_1460929403.html

I've talked to them and they started saying something like " we're just the raw powder sponsor, but our products are usually used by the pharmaceuticals company/ research/ we usually won't sell to personal because sometimes it will cause dispute due to the over-taken dosage or wrong Globalge of the products, sometimes it may concern personal safety."

thanks
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 22, 2014, 10:04:09 AM
How to do you dose/weight it(the powder)? Also do you mix it with water or just spoon in the mouth?)

also is this it?
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/pure-yohimbine-hcl-powder-98-hot_1460929403.html

I've talked to them and they started saying something like " we're just the raw powder sponsor, but our products are usually used by the pharmaceuticals company/ research/ we usually won't sell to personal because sometimes it will cause dispute due to the over-taken dosage or wrong Globalge of the products, sometimes it may concern personal safety."

thanks

I just got mine powder from amazon. cheap same 98% pure i believe. that one you posted looks good to though.

I have an mg scale. they are like 20$. how i do it, put a little petri dish (you can use the plastic dipping things people put katchup in) on the scale, press tare, put the yoh on the petri dish, and then dump the yoh from the petri dish into a small bit of water and drink.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: mr.frederick87 on May 22, 2014, 10:27:40 AM
On the subject of when to take it, there were a studies showing that peak plasma levels were reached 45-55 minutes after oral ingestion ((Owen et al, 1987; Guthrie et al., 1990))

So really, if you were to start your cardio at 20-30 minutes in, you'd go right through the peak period, and it would still be in your system when you finished. It's rapidly eliminated, but this is off-set slightly by the absoprtion half-life (rate of ingestion vs rate of expulsion).

Yes, we have to look past plasma levels and look at when it is effective, but even this is shortly after ingestion in all the studies I've seen.

If you are worried about not having enough in your system, then take another 5mg or so at the 45mg mark. This will insure that more yohimbine is being introduced into the blood as it is being eliminated, meaning you'll have steadier blood levels and won't have to worry about not taking enough.
Please read the thread before posting yet more incorrectly interpreted information.

I did. I've also read multiple studies on serum levels of yoh following oral supplementation, as well as taking classes on oral compound ingestion. I still disagree with your application (though not necessarily your interpretation) as do others here, and so far the only evidence I've seen to the contrary is "you're wrong".

The studies I mentioned showed that Y reached an "effective" level at 10-15 minutes following ingestion, meaning that was when lipolysis increased (though as you've alluded to, this isn't peaked until later). After this period, we want to burn the fat that is lipolyzed, so any time after that period is effective. Peak ingestion follows, and if someone is worried about working out too soon and not getting an effect, they should just pop another few pills to keep levels high.

It's cheap enough taht an extra 5mg per workout isn't going to break the bank, especially when you compare it to the cost of all the other stuff we take. Some of it may go to waste when you have your post-WO meal as insulin climbs, but Y has also been shown to increase insulin response to food when still in the blood, so if anything, it'll help with recovery to have a bit left over.

All that said, it matters very little in the grand scheme of things. Take some Y, wait a bit, get on the treadmill, take a bit more while you walk. Then you have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: mr.frederick87 on May 22, 2014, 10:36:25 AM
on a day where I fast most of the day,

what are your guy's thoughts on frequent very small doses for avoiding sickness. still effective?
Will there be some effect - yes
Will it be anywhere near as effective as a single bolus dose - no.

If you dose in small amounts then the build up of receptor antagonists won't be there, so the inhibition of noradrenaline reuptake won't be as great.


Just to elaborate on this, there is a "threshold" at which point plasma levels are high enough that the receptors begin to be affected. Y follows a dose-dependent response curve, but the response is very low up to a certain threshold point. I forget exactly what that point was, but I know the point of diminishing returns seemed to be around 0.8mg/kg BW IIRC. 
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Wa2tx on May 25, 2014, 04:55:16 AM
How to do you dose/weight it(the powder)? Also do you mix it with water or just spoon in the mouth?)

also is this it?
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/pure-yohimbine-hcl-powder-98-hot_1460929403.html

I've talked to them and they started saying something like " we're just the raw powder sponsor, but our products are usually used by the pharmaceuticals company/ research/ we usually won't sell to personal because sometimes it will cause dispute due to the over-taken dosage or wrong Globalge of the products, sometimes it may concern personal safety."

thanks

Yohimbine hcl is to be taken in mg.  So unless you have an mg scale I would find other ways to take it.   

Personally, and not saying this is the best way but has worked so far is make an oral solution.  I got 3g of Y powder and mixed it with 200ml of vodka.  Therefore each 1ml in an oral syringe is 15mg of yohimbine so I take 1.1ml to equal the approx. 16.5mg for my body weight in the morning before I leave for the gym.   
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 26, 2014, 05:02:21 AM
does ephedrine (by it self) increase the amount of circulating norepi and epinephrine more so then other stimulants usually?

is that why in the original protocol roon stated that ephedrine and yoh may cause the most unwanted side effects?

Thanks!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 26, 2014, 11:53:13 PM
does ephedrine (by it self) increase the amount of circulating norepi and epinephrine more so then other stimulants usually?

is that why in the original protocol roon stated that ephedrine and yoh may cause the most unwanted side effects?

Thanks!

Impossible to answer in general as people are different but in general Eph will stimulate more norepi production than caffeine, hence the greater response.
As a general guideline, the magnitude of effects increases from Caff to Clen to Eph. The biggest issue with Eph sides is the compounding effect on heart rate.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: SonOfAres on May 27, 2014, 01:22:52 AM
Well I stand corrected lol. Great write up and thanks for taking the time to write that.

So, has anyone ran clen and yohimbine together? I seriously would think you'd be super jittery like a crack head.
No worries man :)

I've run them both together, and yes it's a strong combo!!
I tolerate stims very well and have used quite a lot of combos. This ranks as one of the strongest IMO, though as far as 'jitters' I didn't really get any. The other benefit is that due to the MOA of Yoh, Clen can be run for up to 5-6 weeks instead of the usual recommendation of 2 due to delayed receptor downregulation.

Roon, do you mind elaborating on this?
Don't hold back on the detail on my account :)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Zeedev on May 27, 2014, 06:30:57 AM
little update with my experience I got my yohimbine hcl from iron-dragon.com and i'm not noticing shiit from it.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 27, 2014, 10:42:35 AM
little update with my experience I got my yohimbine hcl from iron-dragon.com and i'm not noticing shiit from it.

well careful be careful anyway, i wouldn't just take a lot to see if its real because it could definitely ruin your day.

Impossible to answer in general as people are different but in general Eph will stimulate more norepi production than caffeine, hence the greater response.
As a general guideline, the magnitude of effects increases from Caff to Clen to Eph. The biggest issue with Eph sides is the compounding effect on heart rate.

thanks man
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Zeedev on May 27, 2014, 12:11:31 PM



well careful be careful anyway, i wouldn't just take a lot to see if its real because it could definitely ruin your day.


Oh yeah of course, I'm still safe with it, been upping the dose slowly, but not feeling much yet.

EDIT: after looking over the thread again, I've been completely brain farting and dosing this shiit way way to low, .5mg!

which makes sense why you would buy it in bulk powder, do you guys get yours on amazon?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 27, 2014, 02:06:19 PM
yeah amazon for me. but you need an mg scale.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on May 27, 2014, 04:31:35 PM
Good scale, GEMINI-20 (http://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-GEMINI-20-Portable-MilliGram/dp/B0012TDNAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394263611&sr=8-1&keywords=gem+20+mg+scale)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Focused on May 27, 2014, 04:33:55 PM
Good scale, GEMINI-20 (http://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-GEMINI-20-Portable-MilliGram/dp/B0012TDNAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394263611&sr=8-1&keywords=gem+20+mg+scale)

I have the same one! hasn't let me down yet. if you breath on it, it will sense the air pressure in milligrams lol
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on May 27, 2014, 04:42:35 PM
Good scale, GEMINI-20 (http://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-GEMINI-20-Portable-MilliGram/dp/B0012TDNAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394263611&sr=8-1&keywords=gem+20+mg+scale)

I have the same one! hasn't let me down yet. if you breath on it, it will sense the air pressure in milligrams lol

Haha yes, it's a very good quality for the money.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Zeedev on May 27, 2014, 09:35:17 PM
good info, will look into buying one
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Dr Zeus on October 01, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
Going to try the following for last 4 weeks of my cut:

10mg yoh
25mg eph

Look good?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: shankman1001 on October 01, 2014, 11:20:43 PM
Going to try the following for last 4 weeks of my cut:

10mg yoh
25mg eph

Look good?

I'm assuming that the yohimbine dose is just to assess its effects? If that's the case than I'd just slowly up the yoh until you get annoying sides and then back it down a few mg, but it looks pretty good
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Rubbish on October 01, 2014, 11:22:31 PM

Going to try the following for last 4 weeks of my cut:

10mg yoh
25mg eph

Look good?


Dosing:
 - Yohimbine: Work up to a max dose of 0.2mg per kilogram (~0.1mg/lb) of bodyweight. Start at half of your max dose and adjust as necessary.
 - Stimulants (choose one!)
   - Caffeine: 200mg should be plenty for most people (note that coffee is NOT an acceptable substitute here)
   - Clenbuterol: Maximum dosage is a ratio of 1mg Yohimbine : 8mcg Clen
    - Ephedrine: Max dose 25mg Ephedrine. The amount of Yohimbine may need to be decreased.



Since you are heavier than 100 lbs you could still go up in the amount of Yohimbine if needed. Personally I think it is good to start lower and increase if needed.
I am pretty sure you read the original post, so you know that the protocol / use of yohimbine is to burn those last bits of stubborn fat. So you may not need it bro, since I know you walk around with visible abs year round :) .
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Dr Zeus on October 01, 2014, 11:26:48 PM

Going to try the following for last 4 weeks of my cut:

10mg yoh
25mg eph

Look good?


Dosing:
 - Yohimbine: Work up to a max dose of 0.2mg per kilogram (~0.1mg/lb) of bodyweight. Start at half of your max dose and adjust as necessary.
 - Stimulants (choose one!)
   - Caffeine: 200mg should be plenty for most people (note that coffee is NOT an acceptable substitute here)
   - Clenbuterol: Maximum dosage is a ratio of 1mg Yohimbine : 8mcg Clen
    - Ephedrine: Max dose 25mg Ephedrine. The amount of Yohimbine may need to be decreased.



Since you are heavier than 100 lbs you could still go up in the amount of Yohimbine if needed. Personally I think it is good to start lower and increase if needed.
I am pretty sure you read the original post, so you know that the protocol / use of yohimbine is to burn those last bits of stubborn fat. So you may not need it bro, since I know you walk around with visible abs year round :) .

Yes I figure 10mg is good starting point with eph. Go up as needed. I figure lose that last bit of fat on back could utilize the yoh. I will give it a go and up by 2.5mg every few days until sides come then drop back down to comfortable spot.

I will dose it first thing in morning, lift then hit my cardio (all fasted). Then eat an hour or so later.

Or just stick with my 50-75mg ephedrine?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on October 02, 2014, 01:54:52 AM
Yes I figure 10mg is good starting point with eph. Go up as needed. I figure lose that last bit of fat on back could utilize the yoh. I will give it a go and up by 2.5mg every few days until sides come then drop back down to comfortable spot.

I will dose it first thing in morning, lift then hit my cardio (all fasted). Then eat an hour or so later.

Or just stick with my 50-75mg ephedrine?

Did you read the original post??

Max Eph dose is 25mg

Don't immediately lift after taking it.



Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Dr Zeus on October 02, 2014, 02:01:55 AM
Yes I figure 10mg is good starting point with eph. Go up as needed. I figure lose that last bit of fat on back could utilize the yoh. I will give it a go and up by 2.5mg every few days until sides come then drop back down to comfortable spot.

I will dose it first thing in morning, lift then hit my cardio (all fasted). Then eat an hour or so later.

Or just stick with my 50-75mg ephedrine?

Did you read the original post??

Max Eph dose is 25mg

Don't immediately lift after taking it.

Yes I did and will not go over 25mg eph IF I do take the yoh.

The way my day works is I get up, train fasted and then cardio right after. only way i can fit everything into my busy day with school. How would you structure it to fit the yoh?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: shankman1001 on October 02, 2014, 03:06:43 AM
Yes I figure 10mg is good starting point with eph. Go up as needed. I figure lose that last bit of fat on back could utilize the yoh. I will give it a go and up by 2.5mg every few days until sides come then drop back down to comfortable spot.

I will dose it first thing in morning, lift then hit my cardio (all fasted). Then eat an hour or so later.

Or just stick with my 50-75mg ephedrine?

Did you read the original post??

Max Eph dose is 25mg

Don't immediately lift after taking it.

Yes I did and will not go over 25mg eph IF I do take the yoh.

The way my day works is I get up, train fasted and then cardio right after. only way i can fit everything into my busy day with school. How would you structure it to fit the yoh?

I'd probably take the yoh just before you finish up lifting because you definitely don't want to take it before training but you want it working while you're doing cardio.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Dr Zeus on October 02, 2014, 03:11:05 AM
Yes I figure 10mg is good starting point with eph. Go up as needed. I figure lose that last bit of fat on back could utilize the yoh. I will give it a go and up by 2.5mg every few days until sides come then drop back down to comfortable spot.

I will dose it first thing in morning, lift then hit my cardio (all fasted). Then eat an hour or so later.

Or just stick with my 50-75mg ephedrine?

Did you read the original post??

Max Eph dose is 25mg

Don't immediately lift after taking it.

Yes I did and will not go over 25mg eph IF I do take the yoh.

The way my day works is I get up, train fasted and then cardio right after. only way i can fit everything into my busy day with school. How would you structure it to fit the yoh?

I'd probably take the yoh just before you finish up lifting because you definitely don't want to take it before training but you want it working while you're doing cardio.

got it! thanks man!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on October 02, 2014, 02:45:53 PM
Yes I figure 10mg is good starting point with eph. Go up as needed. I figure lose that last bit of fat on back could utilize the yoh. I will give it a go and up by 2.5mg every few days until sides come then drop back down to comfortable spot.

I will dose it first thing in morning, lift then hit my cardio (all fasted). Then eat an hour or so later.

Or just stick with my 50-75mg ephedrine?

Did you read the original post??

Max Eph dose is 25mg

Don't immediately lift after taking it.

Yes I did and will not go over 25mg eph IF I do take the yoh.

The way my day works is I get up, train fasted and then cardio right after. only way i can fit everything into my busy day with school. How would you structure it to fit the yoh?

I'd probably take the yoh just before you finish up lifting because you definitely don't want to take it before training but you want it working while you're doing cardio.

^That's not a bad approach.
You want to take the Yoh + Eph around 30 mins before cardio but not before lifting so try and take it towards the end of lifting

got it! thanks man!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: sigil on November 09, 2014, 04:53:15 AM
More than average amount of fat on love handles. At 15% body fat, would it be a good idea to start yohimbine?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on November 09, 2014, 09:53:44 PM
More than average amount of fat on love handles. At 15% body fat, would it be a good idea to start yohimbine?

No not really. Yohimbine will help to lose the last stubborn fat.. No point to take it if you are not sub 10%.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Rubbish on November 11, 2014, 04:38:34 PM
More than average amount of fat on love handles. At 15% body fat, would it be a good idea to start yohimbine?


Have you actually even read the original post? You're question is clearly answered there...


Is this protocol for me?
The goal of this protocol is to remove the last bits of stubborn fat, therefore a degree of leanness is required. These fatty deposits are the last to go so as a rough guide decent abdominal visibility and vascularity are indicators this may be for you.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: rtorrano on November 12, 2014, 12:47:54 AM
well
what about if you already dropped 50kilos of fat and have places where the fat simple wont burn anymore?


im definetly not 10% yet but im very stubborn
would yohimbine help me?

is there any thermogenics wich already come with caffeine and yohim? so i would add eph only to it
pre fasted cardio?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: sigil on November 13, 2014, 05:23:43 AM
More than average amount of fat on love handles. At 15% body fat, would it be a good idea to start yohimbine?


Have you actually even read the original post? You're question is clearly answered there...


Is this protocol for me?
The goal of this protocol is to remove the last bits of stubborn fat, therefore a degree of leanness is required. These fatty deposits are the last to go so as a rough guide decent abdominal visibility and vascularity are indicators this may be for you.

yeah. i thought starting now would at least start picking away at those spots or something
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: sigil on November 13, 2014, 05:26:52 AM
well
what about if you already dropped 50kilos of fat and have places where the fat simple wont burn anymore?


im definetly not 10% yet but im very stubborn
would yohimbine help me?

is there any thermogenics wich already come with caffeine and yohim? so i would add eph only to it
pre fasted cardio?

this is basically what i was asking.
you can try it, i'm curious myself. $10 at truenutrition

i cleaned up my diet and they went down noticeably in a week, lol.

Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: monsta81 on November 13, 2014, 08:06:39 AM
how do you guys feel on yohimbine?
I'm taking 16mg upon waking with 200mg cafeine,
I feel a little hotter than on cafeine only but other than that I don't feel anything different?
should I take more or it's normal?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on November 14, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
well
what about if you already dropped 50kilos of fat and have places where the fat simple wont burn anymore?


im definetly not 10% yet but im very stubborn
would yohimbine help me?

is there any thermogenics wich already come with caffeine and yohim? so i would add eph only to it
pre fasted cardio?

this is basically what i was asking.
you can try it, i'm curious myself. $10 at truenutrition

i cleaned up my diet and they went down noticeably in a week, lol.

No, you aren't different to everyone else lol.
Congrats on losing a lot of fat already, however if you aren't already lean then there is simply no point in using yohimbine above other stimulants or fat burning compounds.
The point of this approach is to specifically target the last remaining fatty deposits but at 15% BF you don't have stubborn fat - you just have fat.
Please don't take this the wrong way - I just don't want you to waste time and money on unnecessary compounds. If your current approach has  stopped working then you need to re evaluate you training/diet/hormones and find out what the weak link is.


how do you guys feel on yohimbine?
I'm taking 16mg upon waking with 200mg cafeine,
I feel a little hotter than on cafeine only but other than that I don't feel anything different?
should I take more or it's normal?
Everyone responds differently so there is no 'normal' response. If you are doing cardio then your heart rate might be higher than normal but that is usually the only reliably consistent side effect.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: rtorrano on November 14, 2014, 10:30:48 PM
well
what about if you already dropped 50kilos of fat and have places where the fat simple wont burn anymore?


im definetly not 10% yet but im very stubborn
would yohimbine help me?

is there any thermogenics wich already come with caffeine and yohim? so i would add eph only to it
pre fasted cardio?

this is basically what i was asking.
you can try it, i'm curious myself. $10 at truenutrition

i cleaned up my diet and they went down noticeably in a week, lol.

No, you aren't different to everyone else lol.
Congrats on losing a lot of fat already, however if you aren't already lean then there is simply no point in using yohimbine above other stimulants or fat burning compounds.
The point of this approach is to specifically target the last remaining fatty deposits but at 15% BF you don't have stubborn fat - you just have fat.
Please don't take this the wrong way - I just don't want you to waste time and money on unnecessary compounds. If your current approach has  stopped working then you need to re evaluate you training/diet/hormones and find out what the weak link is.


how do you guys feel on yohimbine?
I'm taking 16mg upon waking with 200mg cafeine,
I feel a little hotter than on cafeine only but other than that I don't feel anything different?
should I take more or it's normal?
Everyone responds differently so there is no 'normal' response. If you are doing cardio then your heart rate might be higher than normal but that is usually the only reliably consistent side effect.

thanks alot
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: sigil on November 16, 2014, 01:58:22 AM
well
what about if you already dropped 50kilos of fat and have places where the fat simple wont burn anymore?


im definetly not 10% yet but im very stubborn
would yohimbine help me?

is there any thermogenics wich already come with caffeine and yohim? so i would add eph only to it
pre fasted cardio?

this is basically what i was asking.
you can try it, i'm curious myself. $10 at truenutrition

i cleaned up my diet and they went down noticeably in a week, lol.

No, you aren't different to everyone else lol.
Congrats on losing a lot of fat already, however if you aren't already lean then there is simply no point in using yohimbine above other stimulants or fat burning compounds.
The point of this approach is to specifically target the last remaining fatty deposits but at 15% BF you don't have stubborn fat - you just have fat.
Please don't take this the wrong way - I just don't want you to waste time and money on unnecessary compounds. If your current approach has  stopped working then you need to re evaluate you training/diet/hormones and find out what the weak link is.

got it. I have clen and yohimbine on the way. will use at 10-12%
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: tupiniskin on November 24, 2014, 02:30:42 AM
For how long one can run Yohimbine HCL ? I have made some injectable Yobine HCL and want to start it at 5mg per day divided in two injection of 2.5mg each.

A friend of mine told me that injectable Yohimbine HCL is stronger than oral version and he lost a lot more fat from it even at a low 5mg dose per day.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: monsta81 on December 18, 2014, 09:00:46 AM
For how long one can run Yohimbine HCL ? I have made some injectable Yobine HCL and want to start it at 5mg per day divided in two injection of 2.5mg each.

A friend of mine told me that injectable Yohimbine HCL is stronger than oral version and he lost a lot more fat from it even at a low 5mg dose per day.

I used 16mg for 3~4 weeks oral version
and I'm honestly blown away by the results

THANK YOU, roon12 for your detailed protocol

2.5 weeks of diet (well not a diet but eating no grains no dairy ,upped salt, zinc , thanks to taeian )
and 3 or 4 can't remember, weeks of yohimbine hcl
350mg npp no test

before
(http://i.imgur.com/LJ2q7rj.png)

after
(http://i.imgur.com/WaS4zS0.png)

not the same pose but you can see the abs line are more visible
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: 5antom on December 22, 2014, 02:13:57 AM
Sorry if this has been asked, but hiw long is a cycle of yohimbine, when mixed with clen and tren? 6 weeks or so? The. Do i taper off or just cold turkey?

Thanks.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on December 22, 2014, 06:47:59 AM
For how long one can run Yohimbine HCL ? I have made some injectable Yobine HCL and want to start it at 5mg per day divided in two injection of 2.5mg each.

A friend of mine told me that injectable Yohimbine HCL is stronger than oral version and he lost a lot more fat from it even at a low 5mg dose per day.

I used 16mg for 3~4 weeks oral version
and I'm honestly blown away by the results

THANK YOU, roon12 for your detailed protocol

2.5 weeks of diet (well not a diet but eating no grains no dairy ,upped salt, zinc , thanks to taeian )
and 3 or 4 can't remember, weeks of yohimbine hcl
350mg npp no test

Thanks for posting pics man, the differences are obvious! Lower abs and obliques are much more defined.

Did you do cardio with the Yoh or just the fasting part?


Sorry if this has been asked, but hiw long is a cycle of yohimbine, when mixed with clen and tren? 6 weeks or so? The. Do i taper off or just cold turkey?

Thanks.

Read the OP for how to use with clen.

Tren has no interactions or contraindications so it doesn't matter whether you are using it or not. There is theoretically no limit on how long you CAN run yohimbine for, but if you need it for more than a few weeks then you weren't lean enough in the first place. Realistically 3-6 weeks should cover most needs.
Then you can stop cold turkey - no need for tapering.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: dazz-G on December 22, 2014, 07:13:04 AM
Can this cause serious health problems mainly blood clotting
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: monsta81 on December 22, 2014, 12:01:55 PM
For how long one can run Yohimbine HCL ? I have made some injectable Yobine HCL and want to start it at 5mg per day divided in two injection of 2.5mg each.

A friend of mine told me that injectable Yohimbine HCL is stronger than oral version and he lost a lot more fat from it even at a low 5mg dose per day.

I used 16mg for 3~4 weeks oral version
and I'm honestly blown away by the results

THANK YOU, roon12 for your detailed protocol

2.5 weeks of diet (well not a diet but eating no grains no dairy ,upped salt, zinc , thanks to taeian )
and 3 or 4 can't remember, weeks of yohimbine hcl
350mg npp no test

Thanks for posting pics man, the differences are obvious! Lower abs and obliques are much more defined.

Did you do cardio with the Yoh or just the fasting part?
no cardio (maybe 2/3 times as a warmup) ,
only thing I did is stay fasted as long as I can after I took the full dose of yohimbine and the meal after wasn't containing any sugars
worked great!
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: dazz-G on December 22, 2014, 05:32:10 PM
And no fuks where giving lol

Seems a shitty product from my honesty can't see it doing anything no results nothing!!

Clen t3 and other stronger better fat burner combined does what's needed
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Clinically on December 22, 2014, 11:28:55 PM
subbed in this - going to be using it in my next cut
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: monsta81 on December 23, 2014, 01:26:56 AM
And no fuks where giving lol

Seems a shitty product from my honesty can't see it doing anything no results nothing!!

Clen t3 and other stronger better fat burner combined does what's needed
before claiming it's crap why don't you try it and see for yourself?
it's cheap, effective and side effects free
if your bf% is above 10% forget it

clen is getting the heartbeat through the roof, suppress hunger and t3 is hard to use for some because of the appetite increase or because they lose muscles / get depleted and look like shit

ask PizzaPig if yohimbine is working you'll see
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: MMT on February 03, 2015, 09:55:16 AM
Very nice. im currently running 10.5 io and a 50mcg clen. shakin hands hardly 'cuz of clen.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: skk on February 03, 2015, 10:51:58 PM
as long as youre not taking clen you should give 25-30mg a shot.
you get nice whole-body tingling going on starts in your legs goes up your spine arms then stays in your head for a few seconds.  feels like the nerves are orgasming and shivering.

for slow steady cardio, no heavy compound movements.  brings carbs to nullify yoh effects if they become too severe.  if you feel sick it means you took too much and arent ready for high dose yet
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: monsta81 on February 03, 2015, 11:10:02 PM
as long as youre not taking clen you should give 25-30mg a shot.
you get nice whole-body tingling going on starts in your legs goes up your spine arms then stays in your head for a few seconds.  feels like the nerves are orgasming and shivering.

for slow steady cardio, no heavy compound movements.  brings carbs to nullify yoh effects if they become too severe.  if you feel sick it means you took too much and arent ready for high dose yet
25/30mg seems crazy high man
Roon said "Work up to a max dose of 0.2mg per kilogram (~0.1mg/lb) of bodyweight. Start at half of your max dose and adjust as necessary."
is there a lethal dose? a dangerous dosage? just curious..I wouldn't do 30mg for sure lol
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: skk on February 03, 2015, 11:21:04 PM
a dangerous dosage? just curious..I wouldn't do 30mg for sure

yeah at about 40mg+ it gets out of control
carbs instantly stops yoh though so have liquids that are very high in sugar around
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on February 03, 2015, 11:42:00 PM
a dangerous dosage? just curious..I wouldn't do 30mg for sure

yeah at about 40mg+ it gets out of control
carbs instantly stops yoh though so have liquids that are very high in sugar around

No, carbs will not instantly stop yohimbine. INSULIN blunts Yoh so there is a time delay from ingestion of carbs until you trigger an insulin response. If you're fasted and ingest fast sugars then this will still be 20-25 mins.

Also I would definitely not recommend 30mgs. The point of using Yoh is not to 'feel' it but to elicit an effect. If you want to 'feel all tingly' then take some Beta Alanine, Caffeine and Glycerol.

Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: skk on February 03, 2015, 11:54:01 PM
No, carbs will not instantly stop yohimbine. INSULIN blunts Yoh so there is a time delay from ingestion of carbs until you trigger an insulin response. If you're fasted and ingest fast sugars then this will still be 20-25 mins.

right more specifically its the insulin response.  never takes more than a couple of minutes to counteract the yoh effects for me though, works very very quickly
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on February 04, 2015, 12:09:28 AM
No, carbs will not instantly stop yohimbine. INSULIN blunts Yoh so there is a time delay from ingestion of carbs until you trigger an insulin response. If you're fasted and ingest fast sugars then this will still be 20-25 mins.

right more specifically its the insulin response.  never takes more than a couple of minutes to counteract the yoh effects for me though, works very very quickly

^Key phrase^ just because you tolerate this doses and can counteract the effects quite rapidly doesn't mean it necessarily translates to everyone. Since this is a generalized guide I erred towards being cautious, especially since there is a limit as to the efficacy of yohimbine for stubborn fat loss and any incremental dose is simply a stim.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: skk on February 04, 2015, 12:33:26 AM
No, carbs will not instantly stop yohimbine. INSULIN blunts Yoh so there is a time delay from ingestion of carbs until you trigger an insulin response. If you're fasted and ingest fast sugars then this will still be 20-25 mins.

right more specifically its the insulin response.  never takes more than a couple of minutes to counteract the yoh effects for me though, works very very quickly

^Key phrase^ just because you tolerate this doses and can counteract the effects quite rapidly doesn't mean it necessarily translates to everyone. Since this is a generalized guide I erred towards being cautious, especially since there is a limit as to the efficacy of yohimbine for stubborn fat loss and any incremental dose is simply a stim.

yea you're right.. and slowly increasing dosage is a more appropriate method too

personally these days i never go below 25mg eod
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: bril on February 04, 2015, 05:21:09 AM
I got some in today, dose 1 10mg. last run of this stuff I loved it, ran at 21mg every morning. Right now I'm 210 so Plan to push it to 20mg roughly again. Mine came with a 5mg spoon so it makes dosing a cake walk lol
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: vansville2010 on February 04, 2015, 11:13:33 AM
got some today, trying to figure how to change my training/cardio routine to fit yohmbine

right now what i do...
mon-arms/legs
tue-delts
wed- back (follow by 35 min cardio)
thur - arms
fri- delts
sat - off everything
sun- chest (follow by 35 min cardio)

all workouts/cardio done in evening,,,,would the best thing be to switch to

mon- arms/legs
tue- delts
wed- AM fasted cardio,,,back in evening
thur- arms
fri- delts
sat- off
sun - AM fasted cardio,,,chest in evening
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on February 16, 2015, 12:35:11 AM
Bumping this up for those that haven't already read it.

Also, just started protocol today so I have a new interest...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on February 16, 2015, 02:15:36 AM
Bumping this up for those that haven't already read it.

Also, just started protocol today so I have a new interest...

Very interested in your results :)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on February 16, 2015, 04:31:55 AM
Thanks man, appreciate all the efforts you've gone through to make the protocol easy enough to follow for even a potato like me!   ;D
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Zeedev on February 17, 2015, 04:27:48 PM
Gf is starting cut for spring break. She started yohimbine last week but due to work we had to dose it though out the day.  Mainly we focused on building up dose and seeing how she handled it.

My First Q is... Are 3 days of fasted cardio plus correct protocol effective enough to see good results.

Second Q is on days fasted cardio is not performed you would run the same protocol as if u were doing cardio that day. Wake up, take yoghimbine and stim then wait 1.5-2 hours before eating correct?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on February 17, 2015, 07:16:51 PM
Thanks man, appreciate all the efforts you've gone through to make the protocol easy enough to follow for even a potato like me!   ;D
Lol, well I know how much you dislike data :D


Gf is starting cut for spring break. She started yohimbine last week but due to work we had to dose it though out the day.  Mainly we focused on building up dose and seeing how she handled it.

My First Q is... Are 3 days of fasted cardio plus correct protocol effective enough to see good results.

Second Q is on days fasted cardio is not performed you would run the same protocol as if u were doing cardio that day. Wake up, take yoghimbine and stim then wait 1.5-2 hours before eating correct?

Q1:
Absolutely! I actually think that 3 days of cardio is a great balance between efficacy and maintaining some form of day-to-day life without feeling stimmed-out all the time.

Q2:
(it's in the OP ;) )
But here there are two options. First you can take the Yohimbine and then extend the fasted period slightly to compensate for the lack of cardio so the calorie burn is created by day-to-day activity. In this case the fasted period would extend to 3-4 hours.
Alternatively you can just not take the Yohimbine at all and diet as normal, but this would obviously lessen results.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: youtubeNATTY on February 17, 2015, 07:54:17 PM
Hey RoOn.great thrend and advice as usual.

I've never used any fat burners before.expect t3 but I did that for only.2 days be,use it gave me heart palms.fuk that lol.

So I'm about to start on clen in a few days. And see how it goes.once.I have adjusted to the clen I'd like.to see what yoh does.

I don't understand why yoh is pointless above 10%.I'm 12%now and hold all fat on my back. Mostly lovehandles.so would yoh just speed up fatty acid released and.therefore faster fat loss?

Does yoh reduce appetite? What do you think about combining say 40mcg clen with 10yoh and 7.5-15 sibutramine? In terms of safety? In my mind it sounds.like.the ultimate.cut.stack lol
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on February 17, 2015, 08:15:37 PM
Hey RoOn.great thrend and advice as usual.

I've never used any fat burners before.expect t3 but I did that for only.2 days be,use it gave me heart palms.fuk that lol.
T3 isn't a fat burner...

Quote
So I'm about to start on clen in a few days. And see how it goes.once.I have adjusted to the clen I'd like.to see what yoh does.

I don't understand why yoh is pointless above 10%.I'm 12%now and hold all fat on my back. Mostly lovehandles.so would yoh just speed up fatty acid released and.therefore faster fat loss?
I don't want to put a specific figure to it, but beyond a certain level then you don't have 'stubborn fat' you just have too much body fat so FFA mobilisation will occur from all sites purely due to the number.
As BF gets lower the proportion of stubborn areas to total fat increases so targeting alpha receptors via Yohimbine has a more pronounced effect.
Don't forget that there are alpha receptors in all fatty cells - just more in stubborn areas.

Also Yoh doesn't increase the speed of fat loss - just makes it more pronounced at low bf due to preferentially targeting noticeable areas such as low back and abs.

Quote
Does yoh reduce appetite? What do you think about combining say 40mcg clen with 10yoh and 7.5-15 sibutramine? In terms of safety? In my mind it sounds.like.the ultimate.cut.stack lol

Lol from your recent posts you seem to have  thing with sibutramine at the moment :)
Yoh affects appetite in some, largely due to stimmed-out nausea IMO but it's nothing like Sibutramine. I've used Yoh and sibutramine together (no clen) and there is no negative interaction although I would recommend trying it without Sibutramine first to assess the stim effect since it is quite pronounced in some.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: youtubeNATTY on February 17, 2015, 09:38:13 PM
Hey RoOn.great thrend and advice as usual.

I've never used any fat burners before.expect t3 but I did that for only.2 days be,use it gave me heart palms.fuk that lol.
T3 isn't a fat burner...

Quote
So I'm about to start on clen in a few days. And see how it goes.once.I have adjusted to the clen I'd like.to see what yoh does.

I don't understand why yoh is pointless above 10%.I'm 12%now and hold all fat on my back. Mostly lovehandles.so would yoh just speed up fatty acid released and.therefore faster fat loss?
I don't want to put a specific figure to it, but beyond a certain level then you don't have 'stubborn fat' you just have too much body fat so FFA mobilisation will occur from all sites purely due to the number.
As BF gets lower the proportion of stubborn areas to total fat increases so targeting alpha receptors via Yohimbine has a more pronounced effect.
Don't forget that there are alpha receptors in all fatty cells - just more in stubborn areas.

Also Yoh doesn't increase the speed of fat loss - just makes it more pronounced at low bf due to preferentially targeting noticeable areas such as low back and abs.

Quote
Does yoh reduce appetite? What do you think about combining say 40mcg clen with 10yoh and 7.5-15 sibutramine? In terms of safety? In my mind it sounds.like.the ultimate.cut.stack lol

Lol from your recent posts you seem to have  thing with sibutramine at the moment :)
Yoh affects appetite in some, largely due to stimmed-out nausea IMO but it's nothing like Sibutramine. I've used Yoh and sibutramine together (no clen) and there is no negative interaction although I would recommend trying it without Sibutramine first to assess the stim effect since it is quite pronounced in some.

Wow great reply. Thank you. Ok I have a.better.understanding now!

Top poster!

Yeh all my posts are.about appetite.and.sibutramine lately lol I've been having major appetite issues lol.

I'll use clen and sibutramine to get to 8-10% then yoh if i still have love handles. Last time I got that lean I still had small lovehandles.so Faking.annoying lol.

Really appreciate your help.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on February 17, 2015, 09:55:09 PM
Wow great reply. Thank you. Ok I have a.better.understanding now!

Top poster!

Yeh all my posts are.about appetite.and.sibutramine lately lol I've been having major appetite issues lol.

I'll use clen and sibutramine to get to 8-10% then yoh if i still have love handles. Last time I got that lean I still had small lovehandles.so Faking.annoying lol.

Really appreciate your help.
No worries :)

What you described above would be the perfect point to introduce Yohimbine to get rid of the love handles - save it till then and you won't be disappointed!

If hunger is a issue at the moment then try this:

http://www.gh15.org/forum/index.php?topic=31030
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: youtubeNATTY on February 17, 2015, 10:39:01 PM
Can you see any risk in too high of a heart rate with clen plus. Yoh?
Should I monitor heartrate?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Zeedev on February 18, 2015, 07:27:52 AM
Thanks man, appreciate all the efforts you've gone through to make the protocol easy enough to follow for even a potato like me!   ;D
Lol, well I know how much you dislike data :D


Gf is starting cut for spring break. She started yohimbine last week but due to work we had to dose it though out the day.  Mainly we focused on building up dose and seeing how she handled it.

My First Q is... Are 3 days of fasted cardio plus correct protocol effective enough to see good results.

Second Q is on days fasted cardio is not performed you would run the same protocol as if u were doing cardio that day. Wake up, take yoghimbine and stim then wait 1.5-2 hours before eating correct?

Q1:
Absolutely! I actually think that 3 days of cardio is a great balance between efficacy and maintaining some form of day-to-day life without feeling stimmed-out all the time.

Q2:
(it's in the OP ;) )
But here there are two options. First you can take the Yohimbine and then extend the fasted period slightly to compensate for the lack of cardio so the calorie burn is created by day-to-day activity. In this case the fasted period would extend to 3-4 hours.
Alternatively you can just not take the Yohimbine at all and diet as normal, but this would obviously lessen results.

thanks bro
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: feelguy86 on February 18, 2015, 10:54:02 AM
Been doing the protocol for a bit now, I started the dose low and am at 15mg now, bumping to 20 next week. I have not been able to do as much fasted cardio as wanted and have still been seeing great results. I have a spin bike on the way and will start doing the fasted cardio 6x per week starting thursday so I am interested to see the effects.

Definitely good info here.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on February 18, 2015, 05:40:38 PM
Can you see any risk in too high of a heart rate with clen plus. Yoh?
Should I monitor heartrate?

Yohimbine can give a falsely elevated heart rate so the absolute figure isn't reliable. As long as you are nowhere near max heart rate you should be fine.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: bril on February 18, 2015, 05:54:10 PM
Can you see any risk in too high of a heart rate with clen plus. Yoh?
Should I monitor heartrate?

Yohimbine can give a falsely elevated heart rate so the absolute figure isn't reliable. As long as you are nowhere near max heart rate you should be fine.

This is what I don't understand. How does your heart rate elevate falsely?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: rtorrano on March 10, 2015, 09:51:17 PM

heil everyone

anyone knows the actual difference between yohimbine hcl and yohimbine Rauwolscine the last one is available in the most mainstream thermogenic supplements
oxyelite, lipoblack
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 11, 2015, 06:17:17 PM
Can you see any risk in too high of a heart rate with clen plus. Yoh?
Should I monitor heartrate?

Yohimbine can give a falsely elevated heart rate so the absolute figure isn't reliable. As long as you are nowhere near max heart rate you should be fine.

This is what I don't understand. How does your heart rate elevate falsely?

It's a slight misnomer as your heart rate is actually elevated, just disproportionately to the activity being done.
Generally there will be no effect on resting heart rate, so day-today activity is fine. The 'false elevation' occurs when the heart rate is raised, for example say someone has a resting HR of 70bpm and normally their low intensity cardio would raise HR to 100, then when using Yohimbine it might reach 130bpm instead.

This isn't an issue unless you are performing high intensity activity that would usually push HR close to max.



heil everyone

anyone knows the actual difference between yohimbine hcl and yohimbine Rauwolscine the last one is available in the most mainstream thermogenic supplements
oxyelite, lipoblack


Rauwolscine is a stereoisomer of Yohimbine. It has a similar chemical structure but has little to no evidence showing that it actually works. Its used in OTC supps based purely on being SIMILAR to Yohimbine - without actual backing for its efficacy.

If you want results - use Yohimbine HCL.

Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: youtubeNATTY on March 11, 2015, 10:04:27 PM
Should I increase my dose?
I take 10mg 3times a day.no sides except slightly more sweating.
I can't take 5mg only 10mg increments. Is it wise to go to 20mcg?

I'm also on 80clen ed and 600 deca solo.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 11, 2015, 10:22:36 PM
Should I increase my dose?
I take 10mg 3times a day.no sides except slightly more sweating.
I can't take 5mg only 10mg increments. Is it wise to go to 20mcg?

I'm also on 80clen ed and 600 deca solo.

Have you read the thread?

Why are you taking three doses a day? I doubt you are fasted for the entire dosing period so are more than likely wasting the majority of th dosing.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 11, 2015, 10:41:13 PM
 ;D

Nothing of substance to add except that clenbuterol plus yohimbine plus herbal diuretics are unreal.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 11, 2015, 11:57:17 PM
;D

Nothing of substance to add except that clenbuterol plus yohimbine plus herbal diuretics are unreal.

All feedback is worthwhile :)
Which herbal diuretics are you using?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 12, 2015, 12:34:13 AM
I started using NOW Foods brand "Water Out" - http://www.amazon.com/Foods-Water-Out-Herbal-Diuretic-Quantity/dp/B00620T97C

Yesterday was my first day using it (two caps twice per day) and I dropped 2.2 pounds (had been steady in weight since doing yohimbine and clenbuterol for the most part).  I'm a little early to give a definitive review, but it shall be interesting to see if this trend continues...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: youtubeNATTY on March 12, 2015, 12:42:26 AM
Should I increase my dose?
I take 10mg 3times a day.no sides except slightly more sweating.
I can't take 5mg only 10mg increments. Is it wise to go to 20mcg?

I'm also on 80clen ed and 600 deca solo.

Have you read the thread?

Why are you taking three doses a day? I doubt you are fasted for the entire dosing period so are more than likely wasting the majority of th dosing.

I have read the.thread many times,yes.

I fast the majority of the day and eat most before bed. I do not waste.Yohimbine. I understand why you think that.
Here you go -
6am 10mg fasted walk to work 20min
11.30am 10mg and go gym at work and walk on treadmill for 20 mins
12.30 I eat lunch
5.30pm 10mg walk home to work
8-9pm I eat then sleep.

I really don't think I'm wasting it.maybe the lunch food will cancel out a bit.of post workout burn.

Anyway, back to my original question, is it safe to up the dose would I see ' double ' the return or near to it?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 12, 2015, 01:03:05 AM
I'll see your question and raise you a question.

Have you done a single 20mg dose between 0600-0730 and then done your first meal at 1230?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: youtubeNATTY on March 12, 2015, 01:18:00 AM
I'll see your question and raise you a question.

Have you done a single 20mg dose between 0600-0730 and then done your first meal at 1230?

Nope, was too scared to try lol. Just checking here if it's a good idea or am I pushing my luck!?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 12, 2015, 01:40:54 AM
That is actually the protocol, in a nutshell.

I would dose your yohimbine and caffeine approximately 3 hours before your pre-lunch cardio.  Then, head back and have your lunch after you are done...drink plenty of water during those 3 hours and you'll like what you see.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 12, 2015, 01:57:02 AM
Should I increase my dose?
I take 10mg 3times a day.no sides except slightly more sweating.
I can't take 5mg only 10mg increments. Is it wise to go to 20mcg?

I'm also on 80clen ed and 600 deca solo.

Have you read the thread?

Why are you taking three doses a day? I doubt you are fasted for the entire dosing period so are more than likely wasting the majority of th dosing.

I have read the.thread many times,yes.

I fast the majority of the day and eat most before bed. I do not waste.Yohimbine. I understand why you think that.
Here you go -
6am 10mg fasted walk to work 20min
11.30am 10mg and go gym at work and walk on treadmill for 20 mins
12.30 I eat lunch
5.30pm 10mg walk home to work
8-9pm I eat then sleep.

I really don't think I'm wasting it.maybe the lunch food will cancel out a bit.of post workout burn.

Anyway, back to my original question, is it safe to up the dose would I see ' double ' the return or near to it?

Any reason you didn't just do the protocol. As written?

Tomorrow try this -
Take 20mg with your clen approx 20 mins before you walk to work.
Stay fasted until lunchtime then eat normally from then on, no need to over complicate this.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: youtubeNATTY on March 12, 2015, 02:10:44 AM
That is actually the protocol, in a nutshell.

I would dose your yohimbine and caffeine approximately 3 hours before your pre-lunch cardio.  Then, head back and have your lunch after you are done...drink plenty of water during those 3 hours and you'll like what you see.

Thanks will do. But I read it has a active life of 2hrs.so won't it be out by then?

Should I increase my dose?
I take 10mg 3times a day.no sides except slightly more sweating.
I can't take 5mg only 10mg increments. Is it wise to go to 20mcg?

I'm also on 80clen ed and 600 deca solo.

Have you read the thread?

Why are you taking three doses a day? I doubt you are fasted for the entire dosing period so are more than likely wasting the majority of th dosing.

I have read the.thread many times,yes.

I fast the majority of the day and eat most before bed. I do not waste.Yohimbine. I understand why you think that.
Here you go -
6am 10mg fasted walk to work 20min
11.30am 10mg and go gym at work and walk on treadmill for 20 mins
12.30 I eat lunch
5.30pm 10mg walk home to work
8-9pm I eat then sleep.

I really don't think I'm wasting it.maybe the lunch food will cancel out a bit.of post workout burn.

Anyway, back to my original question, is it safe to up the dose would I see ' double ' the return or near to it?

Any reason you didn't just do the protocol. As written?

Tomorrow try this -
Take 20mg with your clen approx 20 mins before you walk to work.
Stay fasted until lunchtime then eat normally from then on, no need to over complicate this.

Well I like to diet hard and fast. Daily changes and no 2weeks cut lol. So naturally I thought taking it fasted 3 times a day pre cardio is better then once. I'm certainly happy with results this way.

Just not sure if take. A total of 60mg is too much and potentially.dangerous, which is why I came here and asked.

No worries. Thanks for help anyway.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: PizzaPig on March 12, 2015, 02:32:55 AM
For myself, to really be fasted, and to actually feel the effects of yohimbine, I need to have not eaten for 9 hours atleast. I've eaten way to close to bed, only slept for 5 or 6 hours, took yohimbine when I woke up, and didn't feel it working at all. I doubt if you're taking yohimbine after eating 2-3 hours is doing much, if anything at all. Like others have said, take your dose all at once in the morning when you're fasted, and fast as long as you can.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: youtubeNATTY on March 12, 2015, 02:50:55 AM
For myself, to really be fasted, and to actually feel the effects of yohimbine, I need to have not eaten for 9 hours atleast. I've eaten way to close to bed, only slept for 5 or 6 hours, took yohimbine when I woke up, and didn't feel it working at all. I doubt if you're taking yohimbine after eating 2-3 hours is doing much, if anything at all. Like others have said, take your dose all at once in the morning when you're fasted, and fast as long as you can.

My shortest fast in all 3 doses is 6hrs.you probably didn't read my.post clearly. I do feel it every time.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 12, 2015, 02:57:47 AM
Again, don't try and reinvent the wheel.

Just stick with the protocol that has been designed in this thread, and shown to be effective.  Let us know how it goes these next few days...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: youtubeNATTY on March 12, 2015, 04:01:19 AM
Again, don't try and reinvent the wheel.

Just stick with the protocol that has been designed in this thread, and shown to be effective.  Let us know how it goes these next few days...

Ok your right. I'll go with 20 in the morning. Thanks mate!

Will report back soon :)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 12, 2015, 05:11:54 AM
Again, don't try and reinvent the wheel.

Just stick with the protocol that has been designed in this thread, and shown to be effective.  Let us know how it goes these next few days...

Ok your right. I'll go with 20 in the morning. Thanks mate!

Will report back soon :)

Lol :)

Please just try it as written for a few days and then compare results. When dosed this way then a single 20mg dose will be more effective than 2 x 10mg doses (or even 3) as you have been doing, especially if you dose the full 80mg clen at the same time.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Jasonva on March 21, 2015, 09:48:04 PM
Ok substitutions and pinch hitters. Lol

I like the protocol fits effectively with my daily routine. However I read the entire thread and I didn't see any mention on gh affecting yohimbine. Wouldn't it actually further increase fat loss?  Also on the stems part. I see clen and I'm at the point in my prep I like to use clen to shed the fat but clen isn't the only stem I use. I also use phendimitrazine instead of ephedra.

So my protocol thoughts are as follows.

Wake up pin 4iu saizen, take 80mcg clen, take tab of phen, 37.5mcg t3, 10mg yohimbine hcl, then I usually sit around and read on gh15 for 25min then I get my happy ass on the bike and do liss for around 40min.

Is there any flaw with my plan or compound use? Thanks for input fellas.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Jasonva on March 23, 2015, 11:19:12 PM
Also what about adding Capoten to the stack?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 24, 2015, 01:36:01 AM
Yes, one of the advantages of using exogenous rHGH is that it greatly increases fat mobilization rates.  If you are in a dietary phase (where anabolism is a secondary priority), then I would inject the rHGH alongside taking your yohimbine/caffeine (can't comment on phendimitrazine as I'm not familiar with it).

Wait around 30-60 minutes after the injection and yohimbine ingestion and do your LISS (or resistance training).  Eat around 3-4 hours after the rHGH injection and yohimbine ingestion as insulin secretion blunts both the effectiveness of GH's increased lipolysis and yohimbine.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Jasonva on March 24, 2015, 01:44:53 AM
Thanks chest... any idea about the capoten? It reduces the alpha 2 receptors. by reducing/impairing the angiotension II.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 24, 2015, 01:50:58 AM
No, I have no experience with it myself.  Sorry...  :(
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on March 24, 2015, 05:38:49 PM
Ok substitutions and pinch hitters. Lol

I like the protocol fits effectively with my daily routine. However I read the entire thread and I didn't see any mention on gh affecting yohimbine. Wouldn't it actually further increase fat loss?  Also on the stems part. I see clen and I'm at the point in my prep I like to use clen to shed the fat but clen isn't the only stem I use. I also use phendimitrazine instead of ephedra.
Quote

I haven't used GH with Yohimbine so can't comment based on experience. Chest is using it at the moment so I would go with his advice on that point.

So my protocol thoughts are as follows.

Wake up pin 4iu saizen, take 80mcg clen, take tab of phen, 37.5mcg t3, 10mg yohimbine hcl, then I usually sit around and read on gh15 for 25min then I get my happy ass on the bike and do liss for around 40min.

Is there any flaw with my plan or compound use? Thanks for input fellas.

Personally I don't think the Phen is necessary for the stimulant effects and IMO there are better appetite suppressants, however given the doses you're using I see no problem with using it as you have laid out.

Also what about adding Capoten to the stack?
Thanks chest... any idea about the capoten? It reduces the alpha 2 receptors. by reducing/impairing the angiotension II.

Why would you want to do that?
I have not seen literature to support the idea that it acts on A2 Receptors but given that it acts as a vasodilator and thus will add additional stress to the cardiac system it would seem dangerous to include it.
In addition it acts to increase potassium levels in the blood, which when combined with potent stims and increased activity could cause quite severe hyperkalemia, which can be life-threatening.
I wouldn't use it at all, and especially not in combo with the above as any small benefit is negated by the huge increase in risk.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Jasonva on March 24, 2015, 06:37:26 PM
Thanks for the reply roon. I find and attach the info regarding capotin so you'll see my thinking. But yes the potassium thing was one of my concerns especially during contest prep. As we all know your heart needs potassium so yes it's flirting with danger. Let me dig it up and post it.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Jasonva on March 24, 2015, 08:58:11 PM
Thanks for the reply roon. I find and attach the info regarding capotin so you'll see my thinking. But yes the potassium thing was one of my concerns especially during contest prep. As we all know your heart needs potassium so yes it's flirting with danger. Let me dig it up and post it.

Here's where i got the bright idea capotin or catopril from old dan duchane article. Page 3.  ;)

http://www.juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/system/files/dan_duchaines_-_dirty_dieting_newsletter.pdf


Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Conorarms92 on April 02, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
Cant find Yohimbine in the UK. Most of the sites are US
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 03, 2015, 02:08:51 AM
Thanks for the reply roon. I find and attach the info regarding capotin so you'll see my thinking. But yes the potassium thing was one of my concerns especially during contest prep. As we all know your heart needs potassium so yes it's flirting with danger. Let me dig it up and post it.

Here's where i got the bright idea capotin or catopril from old dan duchane article. Page 3.  ;)

http://www.juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/system/files/dan_duchaines_-_dirty_dieting_newsletter.pdf

Thanks for the link. Haven't had time to read properly but will do soon, might have guessed it was from Duchaine lol. Safety never seemed to be a big concern for him :P


Cant find Yohimbine in the UK. Most of the sites are US

Look harder ;)
I'm in the UK and there are several sources available.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: thewrongadvices on April 10, 2015, 12:48:01 AM
Cant find Yohimbine in the UK. Most of the sites are US

I could find it on uk websites but ended up ordering from a US site because it was a lot cheaper.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: thewrongadvices on April 10, 2015, 12:52:25 AM
I'd say the mirror is putting me at 7-8% bf, and a seven point caliper test put me at 7.5%. Seems like the right time to adjust what I'm doing so that I can blitz the last bit of stubborn fat. I'm going to start fasting through the morning and take yohimbine when I get up. That will give me five hours of fasting post yohimbine intake. I dont have time to go to the gym in the morning so won't be doing fasted cardio, but will continue doing post-workout cardio in the evening.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: RustNeverSleeps on April 15, 2015, 06:27:46 AM
Is it absolutely necessary to take a stimulant in conjunction with yohimbine HCL? Or would you still see noticeable results with it alone w/fasted cardio?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on April 15, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
Is it absolutely necessary to take a stimulant in conjunction with yohimbine HCL? Or would you still see noticeable results with it alone w/fasted cardio?

You don't have to but I would strongly recommend a minor dose of caffeine at least as the effects are extremely synergistic.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: RustNeverSleeps on April 15, 2015, 07:21:40 PM
Is it absolutely necessary to take a stimulant in conjunction with yohimbine HCL? Or would you still see noticeable results with it alone w/fasted cardio?

You don't have to but I would strongly recommend a minor dose of caffeine at least as the effects are extremely synergistic.
Thanks brother
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Jasonva on May 09, 2015, 03:59:41 PM
Another thought I had. I know we are supposed to be doing cardio in a fasted state or the yohimbine is hindered by insulin release. I've read various info stating fasted cardio is like the worst time to do it because the body is catabolic. I suppose being on aas protects us from cortisol and the catabolic state of cardio first thing in morn. My question is would adding a fat and protein say hour before doing cardio in the morn be beneficial to preventing raised cortisol or any catabolic cardio? I know the protein and fats would cause that much of an insulin response. But is it low enough to not hinder the yohimbine actions? Or possibly taking bcaa during cardio to help? Just thinking about it from another angle.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on May 09, 2015, 08:55:23 PM
I really wouldn't get hung up on the "catabolic" state of fasted cardio.

First of all, this is somewhat of a ridiculous premise...what it takes to get the body to start dipping into your skeletal amino stores is pretty severe...much more than a single bout of fasted cardio.

Secondly, as you rightly state, AAS changes the ballgame completely.  You can go without eating for days, do fasted cardio dozens of times, and still not be catabolic.  (disclaimer: I may be a bit dramatic for emphasis here)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ranson89 on May 10, 2015, 05:38:04 PM
Another thought I had. I know we are supposed to be doing cardio in a fasted state or the yohimbine is hindered by insulin release. I've read various info stating fasted cardio is like the worst time to do it because the body is catabolic. I suppose being on aas protects us from cortisol and the catabolic state of cardio first thing in morn. My question is would adding a fat and protein say hour before doing cardio in the morn be beneficial to preventing raised cortisol or any catabolic cardio? I know the protein and fats would cause that much of an insulin response. But is it low enough to not hinder the yohimbine actions? Or possibly taking bcaa during cardio to help? Just thinking about it from another angle.

Agree with everything CR wrote but here's some extra food for thought.

Firstly 'catabolism' is simply the pathway by which cells are broken down for energy, this is exactly what e want to happen! Obviously you are referring to preventing muscle catabolism, which is where AAS comes into play. Also since the goal here is to use u the Free Fatty Acids mobilised by the Yoh/stims/ providing another energy source (food) will negate this, in addition to the insulin effect.
Protein and fats can actually cause quite a significant insulin response depending on the food source so I really wouldn't do it, especially as there is no benefit. BCAA's will have a much lower insulin response so at best will only slightly raise insulin, having a small negative action on the Yoh. Given that I don't see any benefit, again I wouldn't bother.

Now cortisol, this is something that gets massively overhyped. Firstly, cortisol needs to be elveated for a prolonged period of time before it has any effect, the study below shows that even after 7 hours of hypercorisolemia, the net effect was only 1-2%

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC425032/

And again once AAS is added this time period is negated even more. Further Yohimbine raises cortisol to peak levels after 60 mins, with a return to baseline levels after 3hours.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3077446/
(Figure 5c)

So the TLDR version: no need to get hung up on it :)

Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Jasonva on May 10, 2015, 07:12:55 PM
Another thought I had. I know we are supposed to be doing cardio in a fasted state or the yohimbine is hindered by insulin release. I've read various info stating fasted cardio is like the worst time to do it because the body is catabolic. I suppose being on aas protects us from cortisol and the catabolic state of cardio first thing in morn. My question is would adding a fat and protein say hour before doing cardio in the morn be beneficial to preventing raised cortisol or any catabolic cardio? I know the protein and fats would cause that much of an insulin response. But is it low enough to not hinder the yohimbine actions? Or possibly taking bcaa during cardio to help? Just thinking about it from another angle.

Agree with everything CR wrote but here's some extra food for thought.

Firstly 'catabolism' is simply the pathway by which cells are broken down for energy, this is exactly what e want to happen! Obviously you are referring to preventing muscle catabolism, which is where AAS comes into play. Also since the goal here is to use u the Free Fatty Acids mobilised by the Yoh/stims/ providing another energy source (food) will negate this, in addition to the insulin effect.
Protein and fats can actually cause quite a significant insulin response depending on the food source so I really wouldn't do it, especially as there is no benefit. BCAA's will have a much lower insulin response so at best will only slightly raise insulin, having a small negative action on the Yoh. Given that I don't see any benefit, again I wouldn't bother.

Now cortisol, this is something that gets massively overhyped. Firstly, cortisol needs to be elveated for a prolonged period of time before it has any effect, the study below shows that even after 7 hours of hypercorisolemia, the net effect was only 1-2%

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC425032/

And again once AAS is added this time period is negated even more. Further Yohimbine raises cortisol to peak levels after 60 mins, with a return to baseline levels after 3hours.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3077446/
(Figure 5c)

So the TLDR version: no need to get hung up on it :)

Thanks chest and roon. I assumed this wasn't an issue for athlete on ped. I ways just curious about maximizing the results of the protocol and wanted to leave no stone uncovered.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: monsta81 on May 20, 2015, 03:42:01 AM
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Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Lifter on June 19, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
Europe fellas , do you know any good website that has got yohimbin powwder ?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Diluted56 on June 19, 2015, 06:06:08 PM
This protocol has been amazing  ;D

First 4 weeks of cutting just hormones, diet and basic cardio

These last 4 weeks added in Yoh + Clen

week 1 10mg + 80mcg
week 2 now on 20mg + 120mcg

Works great and in the evening for my weight training session feel good - i get all my meals in after fasting with cardio I fast from about 5 am - 1pm then consume 3 meals and 1 after training.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Qball on July 15, 2015, 06:37:54 PM
Just coming in to share my experience. Was stalled for a week started this protocol and lower abs started coming in and getting that tunneling effect rather than just lines. Also obliques are starting to get striations. Great protocol current stack for those wondering

200mcg t4
100mcg clen
12.5mg yohimbine hcl
300mg sust
400mg tren e
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Perser on October 25, 2015, 09:08:27 AM
I notice when I have Yohimbine in the mix for fasted cardio, the cardio feels a LOT more taxing and difficult, any ways to combat this?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Perser on October 26, 2015, 08:09:31 PM
Wake up around 6-8am,
take ECA, goto gym for fasted cardio,
come home still fasted take Yohimbine HCL,
stay fasted until around 2pm.

Anything wrong with this as an alternative protocol for utilizing Yohimbine HCL?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: HandOfGod on October 26, 2015, 08:34:23 PM
Wake up around 6-8am,
take ECA, goto gym for fasted cardio,
come home still fasted take Yohimbine HCL,
stay fasted until around 2pm.

Anything wrong with this as an alternative protocol for utilizing Yohimbine HCL?

Take the Yohimbine before the cardio
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Rubbish on October 27, 2015, 04:18:42 PM
Just stick to the outlined protocol. Roon has made the post really simple and easy to understand and explains why things are set up as they are.
Effecitiveness of the method has been proven by users across the board that have stuck to it. There is no need to try and change things up...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: DeadEye on November 06, 2015, 12:23:40 AM
Doing this right now and I believe it's working pretty well, I am on Tren and Mast though.  These 3 hour fasts in the morning are killing me, I get so hungry about 2 hours in.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Lifter on March 16, 2016, 02:41:39 AM
I have seen many are using coffeine with yohimbine but why is drinking coffee(no sugar,cream ofc) with yohimbine not recommended?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 16, 2016, 03:30:27 AM
how come coffee cant be a substitute for caffeine pills in this case?

Several reasons. First inaccurate dosing vs. pills. But more importantly the point of the caffeine is to get it into the system quickly along with the Yohimbine for the synergistic effect, for this pills are more effective than coffee.
Also there is a greater insulin response to coffee vs. pure caffeine - lowering the efficacy of yohimbine.

Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Lifter on March 16, 2016, 10:33:57 PM
how come coffee cant be a substitute for caffeine pills in this case?

Several reasons. First inaccurate dosing vs. pills. But more importantly the point of the caffeine is to get it into the system quickly along with the Yohimbine for the synergistic effect, for this pills are more effective than coffee.
Also there is a greater insulin response to coffee vs. pure caffeine - lowering the efficacy of yohimbine.


Thank you
So it is good , my main combo is clen/yoh not caff/yoh so dosage/timing of caffeine in coffee is not important ...drinking coffee pre workout is just a habit , I was concerned about coffee having lowering yohimbine effect in big way vs caffeine not but that does not seem like issue.
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 17, 2016, 04:53:20 AM
You will want caffeine tabs added to your protocol still.  Clenbuterol is a stimulant, but the way it works is different than caffeine...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: GDF-8 on March 17, 2016, 05:16:10 AM
You will want caffeine tabs added to your protocol still.  Clenbuterol is a stimulant, but the way it works is different than caffeine...

what happens with sibutamine and YOLOhimbine used together?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: ChestRockwell on March 17, 2016, 05:22:54 AM
I used them both for a few weeks toward the end of my last dietary period...of course I was only doing Yohimbine HCL 2x per week...

I don't see any major issues with using them together, assuming the individual is healthy enough to be using the compounds by themselves...
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: amateur666 on August 13, 2016, 01:19:17 AM
holly s..t
i didn t read first
and i took it and then i did circuit weight trainning HIT
i though i could easily die from heart attack
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: jsl on January 27, 2017, 08:23:18 PM
@all
Tip:
if you run into non-stop hiccups with Yohimbine, go puke. even if you don't feel like puking, just go through the motions. you don't need to actually puke stuff up. just go "eeeeeearrrrggghhhhhh" a bunch of times. that clears the hiccups immediately for me. the hiccups may come back after a while, in which case just repeat. imo the hiccups might have to do with how Yohimbine pulls blood into the extremities. this might disturb digestion or cause an air pressure imbalance in the diaphragm region leading to hiccups.

#broscience #yohimbine #hiccups
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: whoremoan on September 30, 2017, 07:22:14 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3963600

does it raise or lower prolactin in humans?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: amutu on October 01, 2017, 01:04:00 AM
just ordered some of this, can't wait to try it  ;D
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: whoremoan on October 01, 2017, 02:39:16 AM
when should i take it? i wake up at like 4am have a black coffee at work by 5... protein shake an hour in ... then 3 hours later fish....then every 2.5 -3 hours a meal ... gym at around 3

should i just take with coffee? does it really that nullify the effects that much or am i overthinking ?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Try till the end on October 01, 2017, 03:01:48 AM
when should i take it? i wake up at like 4am have a black coffee at work by 5... protein shake an hour in ... then 3 hours later fish....then every 2.5 -3 hours a meal ... gym at around 3

should i just take with coffee? does it really that nullify the effects that much or am i overthinking ?
Any presence of insulin makes yohmbine effects nil

Switch from black coffee to caffeine pill
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: whoremoan on October 01, 2017, 08:42:47 AM
when should i take it? i wake up at like 4am have a black coffee at work by 5... protein shake an hour in ... then 3 hours later fish....then every 2.5 -3 hours a meal ... gym at around 3

should i just take with coffee? does it really that nullify the effects that much or am i overthinking ?
Any presence of insulin makes yohmbine effects nil

Switch from black coffee to caffeine pill

so how long after yohimbe can i have carbs?

wont protein even convert to a bit of insulin ?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: jabeq_eatbig on October 01, 2017, 08:55:00 AM
when should i take it? i wake up at like 4am have a black coffee at work by 5... protein shake an hour in ... then 3 hours later fish....then every 2.5 -3 hours a meal ... gym at around 3

should i just take with coffee? does it really that nullify the effects that much or am i overthinking ?
Any presence of insulin makes yohmbine effects nil

Switch from black coffee to caffeine pill

so how long after yohimbe can i have carbs?

wont protein even convert to a bit of insulin ?

lol sounds like as if you're implying you're incapable of doing cardio on an empty stomach

and no! having a bit of slin doesnt completely negate the effects of yohimbine(nullification of the alpha 2 receptors - stops beta 2 receptors and induce fat storage mechanism)
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: whoremoan on October 01, 2017, 10:33:07 AM
when should i take it? i wake up at like 4am have a black coffee at work by 5... protein shake an hour in ... then 3 hours later fish....then every 2.5 -3 hours a meal ... gym at around 3

should i just take with coffee? does it really that nullify the effects that much or am i overthinking ?
Any presence of insulin makes yohmbine effects nil

Switch from black coffee to caffeine pill

so how long after yohimbe can i have carbs?

wont protein even convert to a bit of insulin ?

lol sounds like as if you're implying you're incapable of doing cardio on an empty stomach

and no! having a bit of slin doesnt completely negate the effects of yohimbine(nullification of the alpha 2 receptors - stops beta 2 receptors and induce fat storage mechanism)

haha im not incaple i just cant do it ....

haha nah jokes aside i do.... so i wake at 4 and have a black coffee with the yohimbine (no sugar in coffee)

brisk walk to work... once i get to work, i get strait into it ,, very physical job...after an hour at work ill have a protein with oats

just wondering how long after taking yohimbe can i take in carbs ?

Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: jabeq_eatbig on October 01, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
when should i take it? i wake up at like 4am have a black coffee at work by 5... protein shake an hour in ... then 3 hours later fish....then every 2.5 -3 hours a meal ... gym at around 3

should i just take with coffee? does it really that nullify the effects that much or am i overthinking ?
Any presence of insulin makes yohmbine effects nil

Switch from black coffee to caffeine pill

so how long after yohimbe can i have carbs?

wont protein even convert to a bit of insulin ?

lol sounds like as if you're implying you're incapable of doing cardio on an empty stomach

and no! having a bit of slin doesnt completely negate the effects of yohimbine(nullification of the alpha 2 receptors - stops beta 2 receptors and induce fat storage mechanism)

haha im not incaple i just cant do it ....

haha nah jokes aside i do.... so i wake at 4 and have a black coffee with the yohimbine (no sugar in coffee)

brisk walk to work... once i get to work, i get strait into it ,, very physical job...after an hour at work ill have a protein with oats

just wondering how long after taking yohimbe can i take in carbs ?

whenever you'd like to. fatloss never stops its all about balancing out fat storage and fat Globalge. depends on metabolism rate and alpha 2 receptor density.

i always ate carbs right! after! w/o. our body is nothing like computer science where everything changes instantly
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Try till the end on October 01, 2017, 12:11:04 PM
I didn't mean insulin completely %100 makes yohmbine useless
But I would use a different stim if your going have calories before cardio
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: jabeq_eatbig on October 01, 2017, 12:22:20 PM
I didn't mean insulin completely %100 makes yohmbine useless
But I would use a different stim if your going have calories before cardio

you speak from inexperience

i ate pre wo, took yohimbine, got the same effect(slightly less effective but who gives a fuck)

i struggle in certain areas but 3days of yohimbine and those areas become shredded like a bundle of knife

im pretty fuckin sure insulin dont get rleased until body detects rise in blood sugar or wed all be fucking hypo dead coma corpses

remember it takes 1-2hrs for the food in the stomach to get mechanically digested and be put in the intestines to be actually digested and turned into nutrients

so im saying eat slow digestion rate foods pre wo. or eat a small amount of rice but with slow digestabpe protein like chicken or eggs(eggs take forever lol)

up the yohimbine dose if necessary(5mg-7.5 is enough for 180lbs lean at 5'10. go higher than that, and face perma boner)

why the fuck would u torture urself if u cant handle emptystomach. give it a try eat prewo and see noticable changes in ur stubborn areas to lean out i sit u not eating pre wo wont matter much. just dont binge
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: Try till the end on October 01, 2017, 01:14:29 PM
I didn't mean insulin completely %100 makes yohmbine useless
But I would use a different stim if your going have calories before cardio

you speak from inexperience

i ate pre wo, took yohimbine, got the same effect(slightly less effective but who gives a fuck)

i struggle in certain areas but 3days of yohimbine and those areas become shredded like a bundle of knife

im pretty fuckin sure insulin dont get rleased until body detects rise in blood sugar or wed all be fucking hypo dead coma corpses

remember it takes 1-2hrs for the food in the stomach to get mechanically digested and be put in the intestines to be actually digested and turned into nutrients

so im saying eat slow digestion rate foods pre wo. or eat a small amount of rice but with slow digestabpe protein like chicken or eggs(eggs take forever lol)

up the yohimbine dose if necessary(5mg-7.5 is enough for 180lbs lean at 5'10. go higher than that, and face perma boner)

why the fuck would u torture urself if u cant handle emptystomach. give it a try eat prewo and see noticable changes in ur stubborn areas to lean out i sit u not eating pre wo wont matter much. just dont binge
No
I don't speak from inexperience
I've used yohmbine many times and am currently using it right now

If opting to eat before, I would change stimulants
I find clenbuterol much better if I'm not fasted

MY experience
Is clenbuterol is preferred over yohmbine if not fasted

I shouldn't have said yohmbine is useless just not as effective as fasted
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: whoremoan on October 01, 2017, 01:59:20 PM
I didn't mean insulin completely %100 makes yohmbine useless
But I would use a different stim if your going have calories before cardio

you speak from inexperience

i ate pre wo, took yohimbine, got the same effect(slightly less effective but who gives a fuck)

i struggle in certain areas but 3days of yohimbine and those areas become shredded like a bundle of knife

im pretty fuckin sure insulin dont get rleased until body detects rise in blood sugar or wed all be fucking hypo dead coma corpses

remember it takes 1-2hrs for the food in the stomach to get mechanically digested and be put in the intestines to be actually digested and turned into nutrients

so im saying eat slow digestion rate foods pre wo. or eat a small amount of rice but with slow digestabpe protein like chicken or eggs(eggs take forever lol)

up the yohimbine dose if necessary(5mg-7.5 is enough for 180lbs lean at 5'10. go higher than that, and face perma boner)

why the fuck would u torture urself if u cant handle emptystomach. give it a try eat prewo and see noticable changes in ur stubborn areas to lean out i sit u not eating pre wo wont matter much. just dont binge

exactly what i was thinking  with the rise in blood sugar, and carb digestion

and exactly, ive been noticing changes for sure ... also agree with try till the end... who knows how much caffeine im actually getting

Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: whoremoan on October 06, 2017, 07:25:24 AM
anyone notice yohimbine stops working as good after a week or so? was getting insane feelings first couple of days,, sex drive way increased majorly , but has slowly dipped off ... also the cold sweats as though my body became used to it ... using 8mg .... any reason for the drop off of effects?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: jabeq_eatbig on October 06, 2017, 08:36:26 AM
up the dose 8mg is for 150lbsers
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: whoremoan on October 06, 2017, 09:23:27 AM
up the dose 8mg is for 150lbsers

haha yeh was trying to push low dose as long as possible.... at first id never experienced any supplement like it,,,huge effects for me, could literally fuck all day no exaggeration, and felt cold yet was sweating .... my hard on was hard as fuck, comparable to 100mg viagra... can anyone explain why this ? it increases blood flow? if so what other supps do it as powerful as this ??
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: amutu on October 13, 2017, 05:39:56 AM


yeah, I also feel cold, although I'm sweating.

my biggest problem though is I get insomnia from this, how do you treat it?
Title: Re: ***Yohimbine Fat Loss Protocol***
Post by: serotonin101 on October 13, 2017, 11:01:45 AM
up the dose 8mg is for 150lbsers
Was using 15mg at 153lbs. And I hate the stuff.